Cain vs Brock

I agree it was his down fall but I cant think of 1 person who would have not tried to finish Brock in the same situation.

Carwin blew it though. If he got a redo from the moment Lesnar is dropped he would win the fight 99/100 times. He didn't pace himself and got over excited. If he settled down and picked his shots a little more carefully instead of wasting energy on Brock's arms the fight gets stopped.

To me the biggest mistake he made was not letting Brock up when he was on the ground. Brocks head wasnt right and if he lets him up and lands another bomb its all over by KO, but by trying to hit Brock on the ground and missing most shots he wore himself out.

timthebim wrote:

I agree it was his down fall but I cant think of 1 person who would have not tried to finish Brock in the same situation.

1)I don't know if Cain can even get Brock in that situation. He doesn't have the striking power to put Brock on queer street like Carwin did. Even if he did have the upper hand I don't see the situation being anywhere near the same, thus I don't see him going for the kill like Carwin did.

2)Cain has shown a GSP-like, straight fwd, wear you down style and we have seen Cain unlike Carwin, continue on his warpath beyond rnd 1.

3)Cain just watched Carwin Brock I, he'll watch it multiple times Im sure. U can bet not blowing your load in rnd 1 will be part of the game plan.

timthebim wrote:

To me the biggest mistake he made was not letting Brock up when he was on the ground. Brocks head wasnt right and if he lets him up and lands another bomb its all over by KO, but by trying to hit Brock on the ground and missing most shots he wore himself out.

agree, let Brock up and rock him again.

captain organic wrote:

timthebim wrote:

I agree it was his down fall but I cant think of 1 person who would have not tried to finish Brock in the same situation.

1)I don't know if Cain can even get Brock in that situation. He doesn't have the striking power to put Brock on queer street like Carwin did. Even if he did have the upper hand I don't see the situation being anywhere near the same, thus I don't see him going for the kill like Carwin did.

2)Cain has shown a GSP-like, straight fwd, wear you down style and we have seen Cain unlike Carwin, continue on his warpath beyond rnd 1.

3)Cain just watched Carwin Brock I, he'll watch it multiple times Im sure. U can bet not blowing your load in rnd 1 will be part of the game plan.

I agree but also remember Brock hasnt had fatigue issues at all either so far so I dont really see fatigue being a problem for either fighter.

timthebim wrote:

captain organic wrote:

timthebim wrote:

I agree it was his down fall but I cant think of 1 person who would have not tried to finish Brock in the same situation.

1)I don't know if Cain can even get Brock in that situation. He doesn't have the striking power to put Brock on queer street like Carwin did. Even if he did have the upper hand I don't see the situation being anywhere near the same, thus I don't see him going for the kill like Carwin did.

2)Cain has shown a GSP-like, straight fwd, wear you down style and we have seen Cain unlike Carwin, continue on his warpath beyond rnd 1.

3)Cain just watched Carwin Brock I, he'll watch it multiple times Im sure. U can bet not blowing your load in rnd 1 will be part of the game plan.

I agree but also remember Brock hasnt had fatigue issues at all either so far so I dont really see fatigue being a problem for either fighter.

But it was for Carwin. Thus Brock may not have that edge here. Though I could see Brock's size eventually wearing down Cain. Like I said, Im picking Brock, but after seeing him get mauled by Carwin, and then combine that with Randy's ability to hang with Brock in the wrestling dept, I could see Cain(who is bigger(And much closer to prime) then Randy) not get overrun.

captain organic wrote:

timthebim wrote:

captain organic wrote:

timthebim wrote:

I agree it was his down fall but I cant think of 1 person who would have not tried to finish Brock in the same situation.

1)I don't know if Cain can even get Brock in that situation. He doesn't have the striking power to put Brock on queer street like Carwin did. Even if he did have the upper hand I don't see the situation being anywhere near the same, thus I don't see him going for the kill like Carwin did.

2)Cain has shown a GSP-like, straight fwd, wear you down style and we have seen Cain unlike Carwin, continue on his warpath beyond rnd 1.

3)Cain just watched Carwin Brock I, he'll watch it multiple times Im sure. U can bet not blowing your load in rnd 1 will be part of the game plan.

I agree but also remember Brock hasnt had fatigue issues at all either so far so I dont really see fatigue being a problem for either fighter.

But it was for Carwin. Thus Brock may not have that edge here. Though I could see Brock's size eventually wearing down Cain. Like I said, Im picking Brock, but after seeing him get mauled by Carwin, and then combine that with Randy's ability to hang with Brock in the wrestling dept, I could see Cain(who is bigger(And much closer to prime) then Randy) not get overrun.

Point well taken.

Cain has shown great cardio while dominating and not being threatened, we'll see what happens when Brock's 270-80 lb body is pressing him up against the cage or on top of him.

Wasn't sure where to jump in on these threads...

LA that was almost rational and I'd rep that if your score wasn't flirting with 100 while being a complete forgery.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Cain has shown great cardio while dominating and not being threatened, we'll see what happens when Brock's 270-80 lb body is pressing him up against the cage or on top of him.

Wasn't sure where to jump in on these threads...

Right here seems to be fine LOL. According to Wolf Brock wont be able to do anything against Cain so why waste there time even fighting LOL.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA that was almost rational and I'd rep that if your score wasn't flirting with 100 while being a complete forgery.

will u guys knock it off with these gay rep debates.

i don't see how cain will give brock a fight. yes cain is the quicker of the two but no one can sit here and tell me he will out muscle brock. no one can tell me if brock puts his weight on him whether it be against the cage or on the mat cain is gonna be able to scramble and get him off of him. for any one that thinks brock will stand with cain needs to have there heads checked. i don't think brock will be so eager for a takedown he'll do what he did in the beginning of the 2nd against carwin set his takedown up and from there the fights over IMO

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA that was almost rational and I'd rep that if your score wasn't flirting with 100 while being a complete forgery.

I'll rep you if you rep me, see after dark?

That isn't what I've said on this issue either, but I've made so many posts on this some of what I said gets lost.

Brock can win, but I don't think he should be the favorite. Cain's wrestling IMO is already at least as good and may bare out to be better. Brocks could end up being better, but I strongly doubt it. Cain will come in much faster. Cain will also be much more skilled on the feet. For Lesnar to win he'd have to catch Cain with his long arms and big power, but that is his best shot. Lesnar will always have that punchers chance, and if he does end up on top of Cain he certainly has a GnP'rs chance.

But skill for skill, Cain owns Lesnar all the way. Will the size difference be too much? I don't think so but it's possible with four ounce gloves.

deezy you're tremendously over estimating Lesnar's ability to hold guys down or against the cage.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

That isn't what I've said on this issue either, but I've made so many posts on this some of what I said gets lost.

Brock can win, but I don't think he should be the favorite. Cain's wrestling IMO is already at least as good and may bare out to be better. Brocks could end up being better, but I strongly doubt it. Cain will come in much faster. Cain will also be much more skilled on the feet. For Lesnar to win he'd have to catch Cain with his long arms and big power, but that is his best shot. Lesnar will always have that punchers chance, and if he does end up on top of Cain he certainly has a GnP'rs chance.

But skill for skill, Cain owns Lesnar all the way. Will the size difference be too much? I don't think so but it's possible with four ounce gloves.

On this BS I need to go to bed nice debate tonight Wolf talk to u guys tomorrow.

timthebim wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

That isn't what I've said on this issue either, but I've made so many posts on this some of what I said gets lost.

Brock can win, but I don't think he should be the favorite. Cain's wrestling IMO is already at least as good and may bare out to be better. Brocks could end up being better, but I strongly doubt it. Cain will come in much faster. Cain will also be much more skilled on the feet. For Lesnar to win he'd have to catch Cain with his long arms and big power, but that is his best shot. Lesnar will always have that punchers chance, and if he does end up on top of Cain he certainly has a GnP'rs chance.

But skill for skill, Cain owns Lesnar all the way. Will the size difference be too much? I don't think so but it's possible with four ounce gloves.

On this BS I need to go to bed nice debate tonight Wolf talk to u guys tomorrow.

LMAO

Wolfgangsta wrote:

deezy you're tremendously over estimating Lesnar's ability to hold guys down or against the cage.

you may be right but herring was no fluke when it came to holding him and beating on him for 3 rounds especially when herring claimed he's fought more accomplished wrestlers, mir was no fluke either when lesnar held him down and beat on him. i think cain will present a challenge. let me put it like this it'll be interesting to see what brock can/will do when this fight happens.

LHW wrestler Jake O'brien held Heath Herring down and Kongo wrestled competitively with him. Frank Mir is admittedly a shitty wrestler. I've heard since he started fighting about his huge size and unstoppable takedowns but I've yet to see it. Cain Velasquez is the wrong fighter to try to takedown.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LHW wrestler Jake O'brien held Heath Herring down and Kongo wrestled competitively with him. Frank Mir is admittedly a shitty wrestler. I've heard since he started fighting about his huge size and unstoppable takedowns but I've yet to see it. Cain Velasquez is the wrong fighter to try to takedown.

I guess Brock should just give Cain his belt right now because Cain is an unstoppable wrestler that can not be taken down.

Enough said lol

I think that should be Wolfy's sig if Brock wins the fight.

Cain is the next UFC HW champion.

Brock by third or fourth round stoppage.