Who views Werdum as MMA's "lineal" HW champion?

LA do you get what I mean when I say lineal? I don't mean the best fighter, many times champions aren't the best fighters.

I have to bail, so I hate to drop a big NO and then run without arguing with Wolf for the next five hours... But, no I don't view Werdum as the lineal champ. I don't think at this point you can view anyone as the lineal champ for the HW division. You can't lose to Arlovski and JDS and become lineal champ based on one fight (No matter what the defining parameters suggest). Can't put Brock, Carwin or anyone else there either... It will take a few fights and some ironing out of the division to put the universe back into order if you ask me...

The lineal champion argument in this case is nothing more than an oxymoron in that it contradicts itself. The lineal champ is supposed to be the fighter that is widely claimed as the best in class (Werdum is not) and supposedly can be bestowed upon the fighter that topples the former lineal champ. Okay, so I'm calling foul since Werdum only qualifies under one part of the criteria... And not the one that really matters!!!

I do, I recognize guys actually holding belts

Didn't read the entire thread, but the lineal champion doesn't mean much anymore now that Fedor lost it. It was Fedor that was more important than the belts. Now that he's lost it doesn't matter so much. So if Rogers beats Werdum and Big Foot beats Rogers and so on, no one will care about this "lineal" title. Not trying to take anything from Werdum though.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You don't agree with that? Who is the overall lineal HW champion then bigs? If you don't feel like that then you made that thread just to pick a fight and for no other reason, since Werdum would be number 1 right?


Wow bad day or something? Wife told you it wasn't hers? So does that make you question your other brats geneology too? Brown eyes when both yours and hers are blue maybe?

Lineal champion is nothing, it means nothing and isn't even worth discussing. There is no lineal champion because there is no defined path for the championship anymore. Truth be told, Werdum would've never fought Fedor if Fedor held the SF belt. Werdum will get beatdown by Overreem in their rematch and then I'm sure you'll be all over Alistair's sack as well.

Werdum is lucky that Fedor knocked him down so quickly or that submission would've never been there for him. Fedor was going in for the kill and didn't defend the submission like he would've at any other time.

And no, not a bad day at all. I've been intentionally staying away from the board the past few days hoping this shitstorm of Fedor haters would blow over before I came back. Now I return to find you posting about the greatness of Werdum. I'm not surprised, though.

Farmer is sadly right on point with the reality of the sport right now.

I will be alone in a tower somewhere repping whoever holds the true MMA championship while the world praises pro-wrestlers with six fights.


LTFG's definition of lineal champion isn't correct. Sucks he wrote such a long post on a wrong definition.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

I have to bail, so I hate to drop a big NO and then run without arguing with Wolf for the next five hours... But, no I don't view Werdum as the lineal champ. I don't think at this point you can view anyone as the lineal champ for the HW division. You can't lose to Arlovski and JDS and become lineal champ based on one fight (No matter what the defining parameters suggest). Can't put Brock, Carwin or anyone else there either... It will take a few fights and some ironing out of the division to put the universe back into order if you ask me...

The lineal champion argument in this case is nothing more than an oxymoron in that it contradicts itself. The lineal champ is supposed to be the fighter that is widely claimed as the best in class (Werdum is not) and supposedly can be bestowed upon the fighter that topples the former lineal champ. Okay, so I'm calling foul since Werdum only qualifies under one part of the criteria... And not the one that really matters!!!

Great post LTFG.

He just beat the best fighter of all time fairly and squarely. You shouldn't be surprised he'd have some support.

Werdum appears not to have been hurt and to have played possum. He went down without taking any real solid strikes. Set Fedor up and snapped his trap shut. One of the most brilliant BJJ performances of the modern era. Don't know that a true guard player will ever have as major a victory again. Not in the near future anyway.


Werdum is getting criminally disrespected around here. He beat the number 1 guy legitimately and for that I recognize him as number 1. Others rule in favor of the prowrestler with the dick tat and five fights, I do not. Just me.

Guess I should have really defined lineal before I posted this. No one appears to know what it means.

I think most do, it's not hard to understand. I think it's a junk theory. What happens when the champ spends four years fighting cans [HMC, Lindland] and UFC cast aways [legit competition, but irrelevent in the UFC]? I would say he still keeps the title, but if he loses, then the flood gates open for the UFC HWs.

For the record, I think Werdum is awesome. After he beat Vera, I thought he should fight the winner of Lesnar/Couture vs. Nog/Mir, but he got tooled by JDS. By the lineal logic, I should say that JDS then should have been in line for the title, but I just viewed that as Werdum not being as strong as I thought. Then the UFC decided he wasn't worth resigning.

yes Fedor was number 1 in all the rankings

Werdum just beat him

Just because we were all shocked when Buster KOd Mike didnt mean Buster wasnt the champ

unless you guys want to argue you didnt have Fedor number 1 on your P4P and HW lists you dont have a very valid argument since your going back on your own word

He didn't have a belt is the point

I am just glad Fedor isn't going to fight Rogers again, then I would have to hear all the horseshit about how great Brett is, he just had a string of bad luck and is deserving of another shot at greatness. Between Sherdog and Wolf, they would somehow come up with the concept of Rogers being the 4th or 5th best HW in the modern era.

Wamma and the old Pride title

UFC played up Hendersons belts same with Rampage

Didn't you read the WAMMMA thread recently?

And those Pride belts were immediately put on the line, well only Hendo's, when Page won it disappeared, plus that was years ago.

ok and fedor didnt lose till know

why did you have Fedor number 1 in your heavyweight rankings then????

What does that have to do with Wolfy's dumb concept about lineal Champions?

Most other people who responded to this thread covered the subject well.

look we have organizations not sanctioning bodies in MMA

I aint talking about lineal bullshit Im talking about who did you have number 1 and who just beat him

why did you have Fedor number 1????? do you just not want to answer the question or what my brotha?

You're getting off track when what was being discuessed in this thread is the concept of a lineal Champ.

I myself had Fedor #1 in the HW division and 3rd in P4P up until he got choked out.

ok well in my opinion in the world of organizations

when you have someone number 1 THATS WHO YOUR CHAMP IN THE DIVISION IS

sorry if thats complicated !!!!

Except everyone else who is actually has a belt....

ya cause belts mean everything

I guess Antonio Silva of EliteXC was Champ since he had a belt

Now you're getting even more off track, go back read through the Thread Topic and all posts to this point, I think you confused yourself.

you just said having a belt mattered i dont need to go 3 pages back for that