I'm finally accepting that Fedor will never fight for the UFC... Or will he?

He could beat Fedor. Just not very likely. He could easily defeat any of those wrestlers though. His striking is very underrated because of the uppercut he ate against Dos Santos but he isn't a bad striker. His problem is explosiveness in the face of kickboxers like Kyle and Dos Santos.

I would take any of the top 4 UFC fighters over him but if he beat any of them it would hardly be a shocking upset. 99/100 is absurd man. Absurd.

And the jabs from Dana keep on flying. Hey Dana, I have the answer to your question... You can't sign Fedor because you continue to talk shit about him and his team. I don't blame you for not wanting to co-promote, but you can't keep ripping on the hot chick that you're trying to nail on Prom Night. It rarely gets you anything more than a drink in the face and a knee to the package... Wake up dumbass...


“I’ve signed Brock Lesnar, who came from the WWE, James Toney from boxing – he’s a nut chasing me all over the place – Tito Ortiz, whom I hated, and he hated me. I signed him twice when we hated each other. I’ve kept Chuck Liddell, kept Matt Hughes, kept Rich Franklin, when they were all champions. Anderson Silva, I’ve dealt with all the crazy [expletive] with him,” White told MMAJunkie.com of his ability to deal with everything from the ordinary to outrageous.

“But I can’t sign Fedor? How is this possible that I can’t sign this guy? It’s not possible. These guys don’t want to fight the best in the world.”

Fedor owns an impressive 31-1 record and is riding a 27-fight winning streak, an unprecedented run spanning nearly 10 years. Despite his nearly immaculate resume, White contends the Russian can never claim to be the best pound-for-pound fighter, let alone the planet’s top heavyweight, because Fedor continues to face the who’s-who-is-this of MMA.

“Guys who deserve to be called the best pound-for-pound fighters in the world are the guys who are fighting the best in the world three times a year,” White matter-of-factly stated. “So when you talk about the rankings and all this [expletive], you’re going to put Strikeforce in the same [expletive] sentence as the UFC?

“We’re global. We’re all over the world. These guys can’t sell tickets in their own hometown. They’re dying. They just had a heavyweight championship fight with a guy who got knocked the [expletive] out in his previous fight. It’s insane.”

Emelianenko meets Fabricio Werdum this Saturday inside the HP Pavilion in San Jose, CA. There will be only one fight remaining on his Strikeforce deal following the contest, after which he will once again become MMA’s most coveted – yet elusive – free agent."

Ya how absurd is having a HW title fight with a dude who was KO'd in his previous appearance. The UFC would never do that.






Never.

This is all old. We all know the UFC HW's don't want to fight the Best HW in the world or they would go to where Fedor is.

look below.

You know what... GDP hit it on the head. Brock, Carwin, Cain, JDS and everyone else who thinks they're elite should be going to Strikeforce to try and get a shot at Fedor. It might not guarantee them a fight since SF and Fedor's management are perfectly happy lining him up against the Grim's, Werdum's and Bigfoot's of the world rather than have him packing the SF belt around... But at least it'd show that the UFC guys are serious!!!

LTFG I have to take issue with one thing you said here -

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It might not guarantee them a fight since SF and Fedor's management are perfectly happy lining him up against the Grim's, Werdum's and Bigfoot's of the world rather than have him packing the SF belt around... But at least it'd show that the UFC guys are serious!!!

- M-1 while they have many flaws and invite nonstop abuse with their promotional short comings, they certainly have done nothing but arrange fights with the highest ranked possible opponents. Tim when he was #5, AA and Barnett when they were #2. Alistair Overeem was an absentee champion whose appearance against Rogers in a SF cage was almost universally doubted until the moment he appeared, and himself is famous for dodging high ranked opponents like AA, in favor of James Thompon. Fedor's management team is keenly aware that their horse is constantly accused of racing against inferior competition, regardless of their ranking or records going into the bout. Imagine what Dana and the UFC-or-nothing faction would be saying about Fedor if he defeated Alistair without that Brett Rogers win. Overeem had not established himself as a legitimate HW until he defeated Brett Rogers with his prior resume. Granted his skills and physique pass the "eyeball test" against low ranked competition like a washed up Fujita, James Thompson and Mark Hunt, but M-1 only takes fights against elite fighters with elite resumes.

As soon as Overeem stopped Rogers on American TV, his management team changed their tune entirely. Now they want Overeem-Fedor on PPV.

Further, Alistair is blatantly abusing performance enhancing drugs in a way sports seldom sees. Alistair almost admits it and laughs about it. Popeye shirts, "horse-meat" jokes. I can't exactly blame a management team for not wanting a fight with a guy who has gained 40-50 pounds of muscle in a span of 2-3 years. In no other sport, boxing included, would Overeem be taken seriously or be anything other than a magnet for PED accusations.


Fedor hasn't ducked anyone. Fedor takes only the best opponents.


(he just destroys their souls and breaks their will)

Wolf, I wasn't necessarily taking aim at Fedor's list of opponents in the recent past, but more at what we know is going to happen in the foreseeable future (And I'm not blaming Fedor or his team alone for this). Yes, Fedor has fought every top guy available to him under the tight constraints that his team has him under since HMC. It's not Fedor's fault that Grim, Timmeh and AA have been horrendously exposed since Fedor wrecked them (Nog actually kick started Timmeh's exposure). The point I was really getting at is that Fedor will be back on track to facing guys that have no business in a cage with him. Do we truly believe that he should need to go through Werdum and Bigfoot to get to Overeem? As I said, I don't blame his team alone though... Strikeforce made a joke of their latest HW title fight between Overeem and Grim. I think about 99% of the MMA following world gave a big WTF when that was announced. I don't care what Dana or the UFC leg humpers think, that fight didn't need to happen to give Overeem credibility. You just simply don't give a guy who just got his ass handed to him a title shot...

I have few complaints in all reality, except that Fedor and the UFC can't see eye to eye. From what information we the public are privy to, I'd say there's pretty close to a 50-50 share on the fault line there. My sarcasm laced post was just playing along with GDP and stoking the fire a bit...

Good points, but here is the part you botched -

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Strikeforce made a joke of their latest HW title fight between Overeem and Grim. I think about 99% of the MMA following world gave a big WTF when that was announced. I don't care what Dana or the UFC leg humpers think, that fight didn't need to happen to give Overeem credibility. You just simply don't give a guy who just got his ass handed to him a title shot...

Couture was decapitated at 43 and retired by Liddell, and a year later is fighting for the HW title. Precident is there. In boxing once you're in title fights with the world champion you're in title fights for the rest of your competitive career.

Strikeforce had no options for Overeem really. Werdum had to be kept off the table at that time, if you remember M-1 made Strikeforce come back to the table and re-tool their contract, and fighting a good opponent for Fedor was more of a priority than finding one for Overeem.

Rogers was the only opponent they could find in the Sherdog/USAT top tens that wasn't tied up. Overeem has very limited availability with two other fight contracts and crazy injuries, so someone had to fight him. Rogers was actually ranked higher at the time if you recall.

There was Bigfoot, but he wasn't thought nearly so highly of then as he is now post AA. He had himself just dropped a fight to Werdum. AA had been flattened twice.

The Rogers-Overeem fight was actually perfect. Overeem's winning created a new and very credible challenger to Fedor(it's come to the point some fruitcakes are saying Fedor is ducking Overeem, ya, I know right?) and had Grim won, after his first spirited showing against Fedor, a blockbuster rematch would have been generated that would have also garnered a lot of interest. This way, Strikeforce has generated an actual PPV quality main event.

Rogers-Overeem was a win win LTFG. +1294 for Strikeforce for managing a very tricky situation. They're doing all things considered absolutely fantastic in terms of match making.

Couture was decapitated at 43 and retired by Liddell, and a year later is fighting for the HW title. Precident is there. In boxing once you're in title fights with the world champion you're in title fights for the rest of your competitive career. Two different weight classes, so I can give a tiny pass there. If Couture was to get beaten by a non-belt holder in a division, then fight for the title his next fight in that same division, I cry foul.

Strikeforce had no options for Overeem really. Werdum had to be kept off the table at that time, if you remember M-1 made Strikeforce come back to the table and re-tool their contract, and fighting a good opponent for Fedor was more of a priority than finding one for Overeem. So in this instance I give M-1 and SF a big bitch slap for not being able to get out of their own way. IMO, the Overeem-Grim fight should have never happened.

Rogers was the only opponent they could find in the Sherdog/USAT top tens that wasn't tied up. Overeem has very limited availability with two other fight contracts and crazy injuries, so someone had to fight him. Rogers was actually ranked higher at the time if you recall. Alright, I see your points here on the title fight. Still gave me a big WTF moment at the time. But it doesn't excuse SF and M-1 for not having their acts together. You find a way to have the best HW on the planet in a title fight and happy when he's already under your brand (Partially).

There was Bigfoot, but he wasn't thought nearly so highly of then as he is now post AA. He had himself just dropped a fight to Werdum. AA had been flattened twice. I'm still not that high on him. AA is a shell of his former self if you ask me.

The Rogers-Overeem fight was actually perfect. Overeem's winning created a new and very credible challenger to Fedor(it's come to the point some fruitcakes are saying Fedor is ducking Overeem, ya, I know right?) and had Grim won, after his first spirited showing against Fedor, a blockbuster rematch would have been generated that would have also garnered a lot of interest. This way, Strikeforce has generated an actual PPV quality main event. Can't give people too much credit for banking on luck and hoping things pan out...

Rogers-Overeem was a win win LTFG. +1294 for Strikeforce for managing a very tricky situation. They're doing all things considered absolutely fantastic in terms of match making. Still disagree... If Mir had next shot at Brock we would be ripping the shit out of the UFC. When an org and a fighters team can't get their act together to make the right fight happen and you're left with a guy coming off a KO loss to step in, it isn't necessarily a good thing. They didn't do everything they could. If they did everything, Fedor would have gotten his contract retooled in time to make the right fight happen and Fedor would be wearing SF hardware tight now. I see some of your points, but I'm not buying into all of the fluff your sending my way...

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Still disagree... If Mir had next shot at Brock we would be ripping the shit out of the UFC. When an org and a fighters team can't get their act together to make the right fight happen and you're left with a guy coming off a KO loss to step in, it isn't necessarily a good thing. They didn't do everything they could. If they did everything, Fedor would have gotten his contract retooled in time to make the right fight happen and Fedor would be wearing SF hardware tight now. I see some of your points, but I'm not buying into all of the fluff your sending my way...

1. SF has 2% of the HW's the UFC has right now. They don't have the talent pool to draw from. Who would Overeem fight? Who? You play Coker for a moment and humor us on who would be a more suitable opponent. Nothing? Gotcha!

2. Mir beat the no-where near top ten Cheick Kongo after Lesnar scrambled his eggs, who just absorbed an NC17 rated beating from Cain, and he was given a title fight against Carwin over both Cain and JDS. The UFC has done this.

3. Not having their act together? 24 months ago this was a minor league promotion, why are we grading them on UFC standards anyway who has been the major US promotion since 1993?

4. Getting your clock cleaned in a lower division, taking a year off and marching into a title fight out of no where is much worse than losing a fight against the greatest of all time where you look half way decent and then getting a title shot against a guy who only has a wins over nobodies and is ranked lower.

5. Your argument is based on some goofy principle that states "no title fights after a loss" while ignoring literally every other detail of the situation. Strikeforce is not the UFC and has a significantly smaller stable of fighters. They're doing a fantastic job.

This thread has gone from medium to unspeakably stupid.

This is some of the best discussion going on right now. But look what you respond with.


I'm really wondering if you're not just a zuffa viral employee.

I don't grade SF on UFC standards at all

I think it's funny LA that I wasn't talking to you yet you defend yourself against that accusation. You of all users here do it.

I simply stating that I don't and any logical person wouldn't

MMA fans are not logical people.

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Still disagree... If Mir had next shot at Brock we would be ripping the shit out of the UFC. When an org and a fighters team can't get their act together to make the right fight happen and you're left with a guy coming off a KO loss to step in, it isn't necessarily a good thing. They didn't do everything they could. If they did everything, Fedor would have gotten his contract retooled in time to make the right fight happen and Fedor would be wearing SF hardware tight now. I see some of your points, but I'm not buying into all of the fluff your sending my way...

1. SF has 2% of the HW's the UFC has right now. They don't have the talent pool to draw from. Who would Overeem fight? Who? You play Coker for a moment and humor us on who would be a more suitable opponent. Nothing? Gotcha!

2. Mir beat the no-where near top ten Cheick Kongo after Lesnar scrambled his eggs, who just absorbed an NC17 rated beating from Cain, and he was given a title fight against Carwin over both Cain and JDS. The UFC has done this.

3. Not having their act together? 24 months ago this was a minor league promotion, why are we grading them on UFC standards anyway who has been the major US promotion since 1993?

4. Getting your clock cleaned in a lower division, taking a year off and marching into a title fight out of no where is much worse than losing a fight against the greatest of all time where you look half way decent and then getting a title shot against a guy who only has a wins over nobodies and is ranked lower.

5. Your argument is based on some goofy principle that states "no title fights after a loss" while ignoring literally every other detail of the situation. Strikeforce is not the UFC and has a significantly smaller stable of fighters. They're doing a fantastic job.

Wolf, like I said in the other posts... All of this could have been avoided if the two sides (SF and M-1) had gotten Fedor's contract retooled in a reasonable time. There was really no excuse for the best fighter in the world to not be fighting for the title, talent pool be damned. Take all of your other assbabbliscious points out and answer this... Do you think the UFC would have had anoyne else in the cage against Fedor other than who's currently holding the belt? Even if Fedor needed a tune-up like he got with Rogers, he'd be fighting for the title next fight. No way Dana and company go in the back room with M-1 and Finky and dick around to the point that the fight doesn't happen and Brock is left facing the tune-up guy that Fedor just kicked the shit out of, or anyone else... As much as you're trying to make a ridiculous debate by adding new arguments, even you have to know that is true...

yawn

Do I think Dana and company would....

Huh? What? Dana and them failed to make any fights happen at all didn't they, didn't they have two chances?

You never answered my question on what you'd do better.

If you want to criticize M-1 for forcing them to go back to the table, criticize that. Strikeforce and M-1 are not the same entity at all.

If you want to criticize Stikeforce for not stripping Overeem, I guess do that. However not doing so eventually worked out and has created a potential PPV quality Fedor fight, rendering these criticisms dated by 3 months.

Fact is, Overeem is as legit a threat right now and has validated himself as a worthy opponent by beating Rogers more impressively than Fedor did. Fedor has had three straight top ten opponents lined up, each one better than the next.

Strikeforce did a perfect job here generating contenders. Best possible short of fixing the Barnett situation.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Do I think Dana and company would....

Huh? What? Dana and them failed to make any fights happen at all didn't they, didn't they have two chances?

You never answered my question on what you'd do better.

If you want to criticize M-1 for forcing them to go back to the table, criticize that. Strikeforce and M-1 are not the same entity at all.

If you want to criticize M-1 for not stripping Overeem, I guess do that.

Fact is, Overeem is as legit a threat right now and has validated himself as a worthy opponent by beating Rogers more impressively than Fedor did, and Fedor has had three straight top ten opponents lined up.

Strikeforce did a perfect job here generating contenders. Best possible short of fixing the Barnett situation.

Wolf... (SF and UFC???) Again, apples and oranges. Fedor is already under the SF umbrella. Come on now...

I am criticizing both M-1 and SF (They're not the same?... Shit, I know I assumed they were somewhere to get you to say that...) for not getting it done when he was already there. I think I've made that clear, right? And nothing has to be done better other than getting the contract reworked in time to make the fight happen in May (If that's what they really wanted). I mean here we are a month later and Fedor is fighting a guy he shouldn't have to be fighting. I know - I know, you think he should be fighting Werdum and should never have to fight for a title against Overeem or anyone else because he doesn't need the hardware to prove he's the best. It was best for SF because now it sets up a more meaningful title fight down the road... Yadda, yadda...

We can keep going around and around as we have in the past on many issues where you pretend to not hear me while I pretend that you want to have a reasonable conversation, but I think it's best we end the talk here before you're forced to get all Wolfy...

Don't get touchy with me grandpa. Little cranky aren't we?


There are reasons most fight promotions fail. Most are ran by well intentioned businessmen who don't know how to make long term viable decisions for success in the fight game. Men an awful lot like you I'd imagine.

M-1 and Fedor care almost nothing about Strikeforce's title. He doesn't even care about the UFC one. You, me, Fedor, Scott and everyone else know Fedor is above that trinket, and that before Overeem came back, it was essentially worthless. Strikeforce doesn't need to be faulted for not forcing Fedor to fight for a title he gave a rats ass about.

Fedor is already champion. This isn't about getting Fedor to challenge for the Strikeforce trinket, this is about fighting challengers for Fedor who is the lineal HW champion. Before Overeem fought Rogers, Werdum was the more established contender, and the higher ranked contender. Before Overeem fought Rogers, no one was even really sure Overeem would fight in America again at all.

You're being unfair and illogical. You say apples and oranges but then you say "throw everything else away and think would the UFC have...". Throwing away the rules Strikeforce plays by and putting them in the court the UFC plays in isn't comparing them? If that makes sense in the vicodin and denture cream intoxicated brain of yours then I don't know if you can be helped.

It really isn't possible for you to be more wrong or short sighted here.