I'm finally accepting that Fedor will never fight for the UFC... Or will he?

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

I expect to see Fedor fight in the UFC in 2011, call me an optimist. Dana will become a huge hypocrite if he doesn't at least get one fight with him.

Lol@Dana will become a huge hypocrite.

www.kimboslice.com

Eh he said if Kimbo came on TUF and won he'd fight in the UFC, he didn't win but everone gained respect for Kimbo even haters, Kimbo lasted 2 fights.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

But they are in different Orgs, not the same, there is little reason Boxing can't make a Manny/Floyd fight.

The same could be said about Fedor vs the UFC HW champ, Dana could put aside the bs for one gargantuan fight.

What bs, he runs the big dog on the block, they will never and will never have to Co-pro, it makes no sense for them.

All that is preventing a Manny/Floyd fight is Floyd's piss tests.

What's preventing Floyd vs Pacquiao is two large stubborn ego's, Manny is by no means a saint.

It makes sense to co promote one fight, there is plenty money to go around. Just think how beneficial it would be for MMA, they'd have their first mega heavyweight fight. MMA's heavyweight division could fill the void boxing's heavyweight division has left with that fight.

Ali_1748 wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

But they are in different Orgs, not the same, there is little reason Boxing can't make a Manny/Floyd fight.

The same could be said about Fedor vs the UFC HW champ, Dana could put aside the bs for one gargantuan fight.

Not the same. A loss from an unsigned Fedor would cripple the integrity of his entire "new renowned" HW division.. not just Brock (or whoever was fighting Fedor)... But with boxing, it would only be negative to whoever lost the fight.

Ali_1748 wrote:

What's preventing Floyd vs Pacquiao is two large stubborn ego's, Manny is by no means a saint.

It makes sense to co promote one fight, there is plenty money to go around. Just think how beneficial it would be for MMA, they'd have their first mega heavyweight fight. MMA's heavyweight division could fill the void boxing's heavyweight division has left with that fight.

With what Mantis said, it makes no sense to risk Fedor coming in for 1 fight and potentially beating their Champ, but also the money would mostly be made by the UFC's side, Brock is a much bigger draw then Fedor sadly.

Stubborn egos and a piss test vs. fighters in different Orgs where one is clearly bigger with more to lose

See that's a problem, it should be about the sport of MMA not an organizations worry about their champ losing.

It's blood tests btw not urine tests, but lately it's been about the purse split.

Well whatever it's small, and in terms of Orgs, the UFC is soo much bigger then SF if you ran the UFC would never do it unless you sucked at business.

If HBO and Showtime could make Tyson vs Lewis I don't see why the same couldn't happen for Fedor vs Brock.

This is what I hate about combat sports, stupid politics stopping the best fighting the best, you don't see this happening in Soccer,NBA or the NFL.

Because they have no competition

Lewis beat Tyson have they done something like that since?

In that sig Brock eventually finishes Randy

Ali_1748 wrote:

If HBO and Showtime could make Tyson vs Lewis I don't see why the same couldn't happen for Fedor vs Brock.

This is what I hate about combat sports, stupid politics stopping the best fighting the best, you don't see this happening in Soccer,NBA or the NFL.

MMA is more similar to the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc by merely having organizations.. except the talent seems to be a little more spread out than that, but you can pretty much say the UFC is the "major leagues".. You don't see the NFL putting their superbowl champ against the CFL champ, it wouldn't make any sense.. So I understand why Dana wouldn't take a gamble like that..

however.. 2 fighters who can't get a deal done due to drug testing, doesn't make sense to me.

I'm still curious as to how Kimbo gained respect.

- He accepted the challenge and failed right off the bat. Didnt matter because Dana signed anyway.

All he did was talk about how he was hankering to fight while at the same time saying he can't fight because of injuries the entire fuckin season. The guy is a joke and any unknown prospect fighter from the midwest or wherever would be called a bitch and pussy and kicked out of the gym but Kimbo seemed to gain respect.

The only thing Kimbo did that said "wow, that's cool" was agree to go on the show...after that it was all about the draw and all that "kimbo is really working hard" and"Kimbo is a true fighter" shit was to just make the fact that Dana White only ripped Kimbo Slice in 2008 because he was EliteXC's draw and not his go down much easier and that he does not really care the Kimbo had no business even being on The Ultimate Fighter, let alone a highly promoted main card bout on Machida-Shogun II.

I just want to know how Kimbo earned respect. All i saw was a street figter in EliteXC..on TuF, all i saw was a street fighter bitching about weak knees and not doing anything that can be gain hiim respect..as a fighter. If you all loved his act, thats fine...but there are plenty of good guys on TuF that would get chewed out if they backed out with an injury or would not even be an afterthought if they got toy'd with in their first bout like Nelson toy'd with Kimbo...he wasnt even trying(Roy)

I know...i'm just a hater though...not somebody who is just questioning the reasons this guy got a contract when people actually buy that Dana thought Kimbo earned his spot and was improving.lol, fuckin a.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Timmy and AA were great at the time, but they have fallen into oblivion since.

Rogers was a waste of time, his fall has begun

If Fedor and Werdum were both in the UFC togther that fight never happens.

Reem I like, after that though..........

Completely agree, but that's kind of my point.

Reem I like as an opponent too, but two years ago this same topic came up and at that time Reem was 4-5 in his past 9 and wasn't even a blip on the Fedor opponent radar.

People come out of the woodwork, either vets working their way back into contention (Reem) or new guys busting out (Rogers).

The pattern has always held true previously and I just suspect it will continue to do so.

Now we hear this new insanity that Fedor is ducking Overeem from some people. Imagine if Fedor beat Overeem without that Rogers win he just earned, what would the folks who say Fedor fights inferior competition say then? Who was Reem's best win recently before Rogers? Paul Buentello?

Why is Fedor accused of fighting inferior competition when Liddell gets a free pass for his title defenses even though he only defended his title against Jeremy Horn who loses at MW to club fighters these days, Babalu who then lost to Jason Lambert who is well below .500 in recent years, Ortiz who hasn't won a fight since then, and Couture, who only has a major win against Sylvia, a guy who supposedly doesn't count as a Fedor quality opponent.

Lets take a look at all the clowns Matt Hughes defended his title against. Where are they now?

Georges St. Pierre(x2)
BJ Penn(x2)
Sean Sherk
Carlos Newton
Frank Trigg(x2)
Gil Castillo
Mach

I say his holds up fairly well considering it's been a long while since Matt Hughes was champ and a VERY long time since he had his big run as champ. Gil Castillo is the only one of the what the fuck variety to me..other than that, guys exit their prime and get worse.

They also fought top guys mixed in, some were questionable

Timmy was stated as counting at the time, but his fall skews it a bit.

I like pussy

Nothing hmm Good night

Just enjoy his last fights for what they are, he'll be retiring within a year or so anyways.

Maybe I shouldn't have called out Hughes record, that is pretty good. But fact is Fedor's resume is as good as anyone in the UFC's.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

I'm still curious as to how Kimbo gained respect.

- He accepted the challenge and failed right off the bat. Didnt matter because Dana signed anyway.

All he did was talk about how he was hankering to fight while at the same time saying he can't fight because of injuries the entire fuckin season. The guy is a joke and any unknown prospect fighter from the midwest or wherever would be called a bitch and pussy and kicked out of the gym but Kimbo seemed to gain respect.

The only thing Kimbo did that said "wow, that's cool" was agree to go on the show...after that it was all about the draw and all that "kimbo is really working hard" and"Kimbo is a true fighter" shit was to just make the fact that Dana White only ripped Kimbo Slice in 2008 because he was EliteXC's draw and not his go down much easier and that he does not really care the Kimbo had no business even being on The Ultimate Fighter, let alone a highly promoted main card bout on Machida-Shogun II.

I just want to know how Kimbo earned respect. All i saw was a street figter in EliteXC..on TuF, all i saw was a street fighter bitching about weak knees and not doing anything that can be gain hiim respect..as a fighter. If you all loved his act, thats fine...but there are plenty of good guys on TuF that would get chewed out if they backed out with an injury or would not even be an afterthought if they got toy'd with in their first bout like Nelson toy'd with Kimbo...he wasnt even trying(Roy)

I know...i'm just a hater though...not somebody who is just questioning the reasons this guy got a contract when people actually buy that Dana thought Kimbo earned his spot and was improving.lol, fuckin a.

We all know that is Dana being Dana. The minute Fedor signs (if) with the UFC, Dana will talk about how great he has always been. Just a promoter being a promoter. I am over this discussion until Fedor makes up his mind in a few fights. He has said he wants to fight the best and he has two guys to prove that against in SF. If he continues to fight in SF after those fights then I will be back on the hate wagon.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Other than Antonio Silva, who'd still need another top win before we could really count him on Brock/Carwin/Werdum/Cain level. He'll come to the UFC.

I like how you slipped a guy like Werdum into the discussion with three guys who would beat him 99 times out of 100. That makes him seem better than he really is Wolf. I have also noted that you didn't mention JDS who KO Werdum, but is normally listed behind Lesnar, Cain, & Carwin. Werdum future P4P King!

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Other than Antonio Silva, who'd still need another top win before we could really count him on Brock/Carwin/Werdum/Cain level. He'll come to the UFC.

I like how you slipped a guy like Werdum into the discussion with three guys who would beat him 99 times out of 100. That makes him seem better than he really is Wolf. I have also noted that you didn't mention JDS who KO Werdum, but is normally listed behind Lesnar, Cain, & Carwin. Werdum future P4P King!

That is classic Wolf stuff right there.

JDS is that level too. Werdum could easily beat those guys, and they could easily beat him. He won the ADCC 2 years ago, not the NCAA 10 years ago. They're all top ten. You're fooling yourself if you have been convinced the best submission player in the weight class wouldn't have a great chance at beating three wrestlers who have been training MMA for under four years each.

People underrate Werdum when he was the number 1 contender in the UFC until the moment he got KO'd. He wasn't layed on. He was KO'd by the best striker in the UFC and arguably in the entire division. Most people who think this never really saw him fight until that moment and don't know much about him or his 5-2 run in Pride.

This is like referencing Shogun vs Arona and saying that proves King Mo, Ryan Bader or Jon Jones wouldn't be in danger of the submission either. Maddening in it's absurdity.




The only reasonable explination for this nonsense is the fact the UFC let Werdum walk after the KO instead of resigning him. Give the guy the exact same slate of wins but inside the UFC and this guy would be ranked 5th and a huge threat to the division.



I constantly underestimate the power of the UFC brand to influence people and their opinion.

We all acknowledge his grappling ability Wolf, but we also acknowledge his striking ability and it sucks! This isn't a grappling or wrestling tourney either. This is a fight and he has neither the weight, power, or skillset to prove a credible threat to the top 4 of the UFC. You can skew the numbers but you cannot deny the reality. He cannot beat Fedor, 1% chance there. And at this rate he will never crack the top 10 at HW again.