Bisping again for Wandy after Akiyama?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I guess it'd be a pretty good fight, but it wouldn't really make sense with where Wandy would be at on the totem pole at that point.

Why wouldn't it? I guess Cote vs Bisping might be better at this point. But Wand hasn't been on a tear or anything. Cote's last loss was for the title. I know a tune up fight might be better but the man is asking to jump into the deep end. Wouldn't this fight tell us which guy is a contender and which one will never be again? I think it sets up fine, not ideal on the totem pole but good enough IMO.

Cote hasn't fought im forever, Wandy lost close fights (except to Page) against top LHW fighters. He'd be coming off a win vs. Bisping (top 15 MW) and Akiyama (borderline top 10 MW) he'd be a fight away from a Title shot IMO. He'd have to be given another top guy like Nate or Vitor, Cote would be a step back.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Cote hasn't fought im forever, Wandy lost close fights (except to Page) against top LHW fighters. He'd be coming off a win vs. Bisping (top 15 MW) and Akiyama (borderline top 10 MW) he'd be a fight away from a Title shot IMO. He'd have to be given another top guy like Nate or Vitor, Cote would be a step back.

What do you think about Cote vs Bisping? Or that too big of a step back for him too? He has lost 2 of 3. I know Cote hasn't fought in awhile but like I said he was top 5 UFC MW when he got hurt and wants to fights top people right away.

Cote vs Bisping is a great fight.

Wanderlei Silva if he beats Akiyama should fight Nate or fight for the title, I don't care.

If he wins the title, give him Okami in his first defense.

No one want him fighting Okami, but you. No one cares about him being godzilla. This isn't 2004.

Ya no one cares about that angle, except the Japanese fighters, the UFC brass and their Japanese expansion designs, Japanese fans, a good number of American fans who remember that stuff and Wanderlei Silva himself. Hence the whole Akiyama thing being in the planning stages for months and months.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Ya no one cares about that angle, except the Japanese fighters, the UFC brass and their Japanese expansion designs, Japanese fans, a good number of American fans who remember that stuff and Wanderlei Silva himself. Hence the whole Akiyama thing being in the planning stages for months and months.

Believe what you want to. Okami vs Wand isn't a big fight compared the ones he should be having if he beats Akiyama and/or wins the title.

I'll concede this; it wouldn't be a quote "big" fight, since no one likes Okami, and apparently he has gone from a would be title challenger to an also ran overnight, but it would be a favorable and yet respectable matchup for Wanderlei Silva. It's not that I want them to protect Wanderlei, and this wouldn't be protecting him considering Okami is still top ten by many sources, but I don't want him fed to the lighting fast, straight punching lions immediately after stringing two good wins together either.

Wolf has a great point about hitting the Japanese market so it makes more since to fight Okami after Akiyama. I would rather see him fight Nate or Cote.

Okami's still a top 10 talent/fighter, but that fight isn't overly interesting.

I agree LA, but it's a fight he would be favored in. I have no desire to see Wanderlei knocked out inside a round by Vitor or Anderson later this year after the first time he wins back to back fights since 2006, unless it is for the title.

Truthfully, a win over Okami even if he beats Akiyama should be required for him to advance to a title shot.

Another fight I'd love to entertain would be Rashad dropping to 185 with Wanderlei welcoming him to the division.

I think Okami would be a rough matchup for Wanderlei.

A block of relentless takedown and wet blanket that is seemingly impossible to submit. I don't know if Wandy has the legs and hips for it any more.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolf has a great point about hitting the Japanese market so it makes more since to fight Okami after Akiyama. I would rather see him fight Nate or Cote.

I just hope the Yakuza doesn't shut the fight down you know Wolf? lol

i was watching this interview, from what i understood hes open to a rematch but i doubt that itll happen. so many better fights for wandy, i would like to see him go against nate

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

What's with all this Cote love, he hasn't fought in forever, and Wandy would be coming off wins against Bisping and Akiyama, he has to get a better fight than Cote, I saw either Nate or Vitor.

Why not? Cote is a good fighter and was on a 5 fight win streak in the UFC before losing to Anderson because of injury. I don't see any reason to not like that fight unless it's a main or comain event and the UFC is worried about Cote not being a big enough name.

Bigs03 wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

What's with all this Cote love, he hasn't fought in forever, and Wandy would be coming off wins against Bisping and Akiyama, he has to get a better fight than Cote, I saw either Nate or Vitor.

Why not? Cote is a good fighter and was on a 5 fight win streak in the UFC before losing to Anderson because of injury. I don't see any reason to not like that fight unless it's a main or comain event and the UFC is worried about Cote not being a big enough name.

The more I think about this fight the better it seems. I think the UFC would find it very easy to market this fight also considering that Cote was on a tear before getting injured in the title fight. I don't know, I'd like to see it and to me it makes sense. Unless you think an injury layoff should drop Cote significantly in the rankings he is still a quality top 15 MW IMO.

Bigs just sold me on Cote.

+1.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

America dropped the A-Bomb, Brazil dropped in Wandy.

might be the best thing I have read period!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I agree LA, but it's a fight he would be favored in. I have no desire to see Wanderlei knocked out inside a round by Vitor or Anderson later this year after the first time he wins back to back fights since 2006, unless it is for the title.

Truthfully, a win over Okami even if he beats Akiyama should be required for him to advance to a title shot.

Another fight I'd love to entertain would be Rashad dropping to 185 with Wanderlei welcoming him to the division.

Rashad? after watching Bisping slam Wandy, I think Rashad would take Wandy down at will. I'll say this though, Wandy has more power than Rashad and Rashad's chin is iffy.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I agree LA, but it's a fight he would be favored in. I have no desire to see Wanderlei knocked out inside a round by Vitor or Anderson later this year after the first time he wins back to back fights since 2006, unless it is for the title.

Truthfully, a win over Okami even if he beats Akiyama should be required for him to advance to a title shot.

Another fight I'd love to entertain would be Rashad dropping to 185 with Wanderlei welcoming him to the division.

Rashad? after watching Bisping slam Wandy, I think Rashad would take Wandy down at will. I'll say this though, Wandy has more power than Rashad and Rashad's chin is iffy.

I'd say the power and chins are thrown out the window. Both has knocked people out cold and both have been knocked out.

Rashad would easily outwrestle Wand and beat him more times than not.

I like the idea of Rashad at 185 and think I've mentioned it before.

Me too, but he's a top 5 LHW, and he wouldn't beat Anderson IMO, maybe down the line if no one has beaten Anderson yet, he could give it a try at 185 though.

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Rashad? after watching Bisping slam Wandy, I think Rashad would take Wandy down at will. I'll say this though, Wandy has more power than Rashad and Rashad's chin is iffy.

Yo LA, don't live in the moment or base Wandy's entire toolkid off this one recent fight.

Looking at Rashad's, Wand's and Bisping's wrestling through their entire careers and it should be pretty clear to all observers that Wandy would be able to block most of the takedowns and scramble back to his feet when he does get taken down, and that Rashad would not be able to wrestle at will with him.

Bisping and Rashad wrestled very competitively in their fight, and all who post regularly here should by now be aware that Rashad does not have elite wrestling, and Bisping does not have bad wrestling, as both are often touted by the average fan. They both have good, similar wrestling.

Rashad has relatively poor top control as evidenced by Thiago bouncing to his feet time and time again. Wanderlei has incredible sprawls and scrambles, and has only ever ran into real trouble against gaint LHW wrestlers like prime Ortiz and Rampage.

Rashad may score some slams, but he wouldn't be able to work a GnP or top game enough for that to matter. Wand hops up and knocks him out, round 2.

Not really being a prisoner of th monent, just realistic, Rashad would be taking Wandy down all day, or at least a lot, and enough to control the fight, Thiago's a beast that's why he was able to get up. And Shad's wrestling is much better thasn Bisping's, lets not kid ourselves.

I just see Rashad as a bad matchup for Wandy at this point

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Not really being a prisoner of th monent, just realistic, Rashad would be taking Wandy down all day, or at least a lot, and enough to control the fight, Thiago's a beast that's why he was able to get up. And Shad's wrestling is much better thasn Bisping's, lets not kid ourselves.

I just see Rashad as a bad matchup for Wandy at this point

Agreed.

I have never seen anything from Rashad Evans which makes me believe he has elite wrestling. He is a great wrestler, no disrespect to him, but his skills and size do not match up any better than many fights Wanderlei won easily through his entire career. Rashad certainly isn't an elite ground and pound, control wrestler. No fucking way he is riding Wanderlei Silva for very long.

I just watched Silva's entire career in the last two days(I will share it soon) Rashad is Wanderlei's size, and no one his size has ever out grappled him enough to win and Wanderlei has fought a lot better wrestlers than Rashad, and held his own against many much bigger ones. If Rampage couldn't out wrestle Wandy enough to win their two first fights, and Henderson was never able to beat him with wrestling, what makes you think Rashad could?

I think you're just underestimating Wanderlei's wrestling ability. He has been a good wrestler his whole career, with only the Tito fight as a true black mark against his wrestling.





This fight isn't even signed and Rashad isn't in the weight class and I am that interested in it.