Mike Swick

I actually was impressed with his performance against Hardy. Coming off that concussion that took him out of his fight with kampmann so quickly and he stood tall against those heavy hands and didn't even bite the dust. Not the same as impressive for top ten status, but impressive in terms of ability to take a shot.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Just because someone isnt a top 5 WW in the UFC does not make them overrated.

At one point most people thought Swick was a top 5 UFC WW, me included. But no one who saw his last two fights would think so anymore. So he was overrated, his peak of being overrated was when he fought Hardy. Going into that fight the Swick hype train was at an all time high. But now looking back at how poorly he looked in those loses, not just the fact that he lost, you have to say he was overrated.

He didnt look bad against Hardy at all.

Granted he wasnt his usual self against Hardy, he definately did not look bad IMO.

I thought he looked like shit against Hardy.

NoRegret wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

NoRegret wrote:

Just because someone isnt a top 5 WW in the UFC does not make them overrated.

At one point most people thought Swick was a top 5 UFC WW, me included. But no one who saw his last two fights would think so anymore. So he was overrated, his peak of being overrated was when he fought Hardy. Going into that fight the Swick hype train was at an all time high. But now looking back at how poorly he looked in those loses, not just the fact that he lost, you have to say he was overrated.

He didnt look bad against Hardy at all.

Granted he wasnt his usual self against Hardy, he definately did not look bad IMO.

Did he look like the top 5 WW people thought he was? I thought he looked pretty damn bad. But I obviously thought too high of him coming into that fight just like everyone else did. He looked more like a boarder line top 10 UFC WW(not mma but UFC) rather then the top 5 most people expected. How hard is it to admit he had a very disapointing fight to say the least?

How hard is it to just stop barking up the wrong tree when your taking one fight with extenuating circumstances way out of context? Swick may not be the top 5 welterweight some people thought he was, but he's not a bum. The only thing that the fight with Thiago proved is that Thiago's win over Koschek wasn't a total fluke. The same thing probably wouldn't happen again if they rematched but Thiago is definitely for real.

Getting beat by someone who's on the rise and fast is nothing to be ashamed of. Look at all the guys GSP beat on his road to gaining and regaining the title. Does it make any of those guys lesser fighters in the long run because they got beat by a tremendous up and comer?

LudoCain wrote:

How hard is it to just stop barking up the wrong tree when your taking one fight with extenuating circumstances way out of context? Swick may not be the top 5 welterweight some people thought he was, but he's not a bum. The only thing that the fight with Thiago proved is that Thiago's win over Koschek wasn't a total fluke. The same thing probably wouldn't happen again if they rematched but Thiago is definitely for real.

Yeah I know Thiago is real, he made it clear Swick doesn't belong in the same cage with him. How is calling Swick a boarder line top 10 UFC WW the same as calling him a bum? Never called him a bum, just pointed out he was clearly overrated. Which for some reason is hard for some people to swallow.

Sooners gets the prize. Mike Swick appears to have been over valued, but his last two performances are below the standard set by his prior ones by a long shot.

Swick needs to switch camps.

I just dont see him as overrated. I didnt think he was a top five WW heading into his fight with Hardy but I did see him as a potential title contender.

Coming into that fight, I wasnt sure how he'd fair against Hardy but I did have Swick winning it.

I had Thiago Alves, GSP, Kos, Fitch, and Hughes as guys that would beat him. Thats right I said Hughes too.

Obviously he's not top 5 in the UFC and is a borderline top 10 WW in the world, but I just dont view him as overrated...i think he's right where he should be right now.

If Hughes beats Renzo then I hope he fights one of the AKA boys. 2-0 in those fights and he may be nearing a 4th fight with GSP.

I think Hardy beats Scott Smith. Smith just isn't that good of a fighter IMO. His boxing skills aren't good and often times he looks lost in the cage. He also takes a lot of damage because defensively he is horrible.

He definitely has a great chin, though, and lots of power. Without those two things he would never make it in the UFC or SF.

Bigs03 wrote:

I think Hardy beats Scott Smith. Smith just isn't that good of a fighter IMO. His boxing skills aren't good and often times he looks lost in the cage. He also takes a lot of damage because defensively he is horrible.

He definitely has a great chin, though, and lots of power. Without those two things he would never make it in the UFC or SF.

Yeah I really didn't expect anyone to agree with me on that, I think they are pretty equal as fighters. I think Smith is just as good as some MW in the UFC like Leben and others. I stand by what I said, don't expect others to agree but I think over time people will see what I am talking about. Some people are blinded by the logo on the gloves. Overall this board is way underrating Smith IMO.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I thought he looked like shit against Hardy.

So did I compared to what he normally looks like. I just figured it was due to him getting rocked early in the fight.

redvexx8 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I thought he looked like shit against Hardy.

So did I compared to what he normally looks like. I just figured it was due to him getting rocked early in the fight.

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What? Cung Le is one of the best pure strikers in MMA? I think you're confused. He's certainly one of the flashiest strikers in MMA, but best? No. He's another guy that would do terribly in the UFC right now. I'd rank him just below Denis Kang in the UFC MW division right now.

Be real chork.

1. Cung Le has one of the best striking pedigrees in MMA. You can't deny it. Find me one expert that would deny he is one of the best pure strikers in MMA. One link to anything respectable. Besides, if you've ever watched him fight you could plainly see how good he is at striking.

2. Pure Striker, not fighter. Same way Semmy Schilt is the best pure striking HW in MMA. Same way Dean Lister and Jeff Monson are some of the best pure grapplers in MMA.

3. For a UFC homer you seem behind, Denis Kang is cut and fights for MFC or some shit now.

1. Sorry but I don't count point fighting as true striking. I don't mind somebody throwing exotic strikes, but he doesn't know how to put them together properly for MMA. Just doing Sanshou all night long is just stupid. His entire style is built on thinking of a technique to do and doing it, then it may or may not work. He doesn't have any counter skills. I don't want to even imagine what a truly skilled MMA striker would do to Cung Le. I bet it would be horrible. As for finding an expert who agrees with me, I'm not that worried about it. Everytime I watch him fight, I can see that he doesn't know how to strike in MMA. And if I imagine a matchup with just about anyone who knows how to strike, I imagine Cung Le getting destroyed.

2. I understand you meant pure striker, but as I said in number 1, I don't really think being a great point fighter necessarily translates into actual great striking.

3. I did forget that Kang was cut, and that doesn't really hurt my argument, it just makes it factually incorrect. The fact that Denis Kang isn't good enough to be in the UFC, and Cung Le's almost definitely worse than Denis Kang shows that he's not a top fighter. He's never beaten anybody worth a damn. And if you honestly think that the fact that Frank Shamrock is a legend in the sport has any relevence in his fighting skills now, then you're just plain wrong. Frank Shamrock is not a feather in anyone's cap at this point.

Cung Le did some Muay Thai or kick boxing too. They used to all ways show his fights on one of the ESPN channels.

And am I the only one who thinks that Dan Hardy may have as good a chin as Scott Smith? Dan Hardy's been clocked by some strong punches, and he just keeps coming. I'd pick Dan Hardy in a fight with Scott Smith any day of the week. His boxing is just so much better.

Swick is very overrated Sooers is right

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1. Sorry but I don't count point fighting as true striking. I don't mind somebody throwing exotic strikes, but he doesn't know how to put them together properly for MMA. Just doing Sanshou all night long is just stupid. His entire style is built on thinking of a technique to do and doing it, then it may or may not work. He doesn't have any counter skills. I don't want to even imagine what a truly skilled MMA striker would do to Cung Le.

Stopped reading here. Of all the dumb shit I've read on this forum, this is one of the stupidest comments in the history of Ninja's Place. Le is one of the only fighters in MMA with a Machida like skillset, and is the best counter striker in Strikeforce by a long margin.

Let me be the first to say you don't know the first thing about martial arts. But then again you said Frank Mir has a better career and ground game than Fedor. You're a UFC homer who doesn't know anything and you have proven time and time again not to be worth talking to.

wow that was rec'd before I even had the formatting edited correctly. Chorky, you suck playa.