Mike Swick

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I love how people write off Shamrock as some can even though he didn't embarrass himself at all in a fight of the year canidate against one of the best pure strikers in MMA in Cung Le, just because he is in his mid 30s and the UFC hype train makes it out like he never existed and wasn't one of the greatest of all time.

Shammy was great but in the Diaz fight he looked old and injured. Nick still deserves credit for the win but it's not like a quality win in the UFC WW division.

Bigs03 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I love how people write off Shamrock as some can even though he didn't embarrass himself at all in a fight of the year canidate against one of the best pure strikers in MMA in Cung Le, just because he is in his mid 30s and the UFC hype train makes it out like he never existed and wasn't one of the greatest of all time.

Shammy was great but in the Diaz fight he looked old and injured. Nick still deserves credit for the win but it's not like a quality win in the UFC WW division.

Ya, Sham was old and wasn't the same fighter that wrecked Baroni or battled Le at all, truth to that.


Also Bigs I like your posts a lot more now that Mac Brown is off my screen.

But do you work for Shine fights?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I love how people write off Shamrock as some can even though he didn't embarrass himself at all in a fight of the year canidate against one of the best pure strikers in MMA in Cung Le, just because he is in his mid 30s and the UFC hype train makes it out like he never existed and wasn't one of the greatest of all time.

Shammy was great but in the Diaz fight he looked old and injured. Nick still deserves credit for the win but it's not like a quality win in the UFC WW division.

Ya, Sham was old and wasn't the same fighter that wrecked Baroni or battled Le at all, truth to that.


Also Bigs I like your posts a lot more now that Mac Brown is off my screen.

Don't worry, he'll be back in 7 months or so...

I have no beef with Texas. I hated them when VY was there, because VY is a piece of...

anyway, I feel bad for them, fucked by the BCS one year, the next fucked by an injury.

What by rights should have been two national titles ruined by circumstances beyond their control.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I have no beef with Texas. I hated them when VY was there, because VY is a piece of...

anyway, I feel bad for them, fucked by the BCS one year, the next fucked by an injury.

What by rights should have been two national titles ruined by circumstances beyond their control.

Beyond their control?

How about you don't lose to Tech and don't let your QB get nailed by a 285lb pass rusher. That is in their control.

I think Nick will be back in the UFC soon enough if Dana is smart. Believe it or not but Nick Diaz has a pretty big fanbase, and a loyal one at that! If they let him fight on CBS it will get alot bigger.

And personally i think he would do some damage in the UFC. I dont see him beating GSP, Alves, Fitch would be a tough fight but i wouldn't be that surprised if he beat him some how, but i see Nick beating guys like Hardy, Swick, Daley, and one of my personal dream matches would be Nick Diaz vs Carlos Condit! That and a fight with Martin Kampmann. There are so many big fights in the UFC he needs to be there. Nick Diaz vs Diego Sanchez 2!!!!

Wolfgangsta wrote:

But do you work for Shine fights?

No, that is my daughter's BJJ teacher, I just figured I'd give him a little run at Ninja's Place.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I have no beef with Texas. I hated them when VY was there, because VY is a piece of...

anyway, I feel bad for them, fucked by the BCS one year, the next fucked by an injury.

What by rights should have been two national titles ruined by circumstances beyond their control.

VY was a great college QB but I'm not sold on him in the NFL quite yet.

Texas should've made it to the title game the year before last but they fucked themselves. On Tech's final drive Texas had a gift interception but the ball went right through the defender's hands...can't think of the dude's name right now but it was horrible. Then right after that Crabtree made a ridiculous play to win the game.

This season was unfortunate, I hated to see Colt's college career end like that but it was a good run anyway. On to the Garrett Gilbert era at Texas.

Oh word.

Nick Diaz would beat the shit out of Martain Kampmann. That would be ugly. He would slap the snot out of dude. Same with Condit. I think he'd have a great chance to beat anyone in the division, besides GSP of course.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I love how people write off Shamrock as some can even though he didn't embarrass himself at all in a fight of the year canidate against one of the best pure strikers in MMA in Cung Le, just because he is in his mid 30s and the UFC hype train makes it out like he never existed and wasn't one of the greatest of all time.

What? Cung Le is one of the best pure strikers in MMA? I think you're confused. He's certainly one of the flashiest strikers in MMA, but best? No. He's another guy that would do terribly in the UFC right now. I'd rank him just below Denis Kang in the UFC MW division right now.

I know you guys are thinking I'm just sniffing the Zuffa roses, but I'm really not. I'm looking at the skill sets these guys have, and they're sub-par. There are plenty of guys outside of Zuffa that have legitimate skills that I like watching and believe are top guys. I love a lot of the LWs out there, such as Thomson, Melendez, and Alvarez. I'd love to see Thomson and Melendez in the WEC and Alvarez in the UFC. Fedor and Mousasi are 2 obvious Zuffa outsiders that actually deserve the recognition they get as top fighters.

See that little signature on the bottom of all your posts, Chorky? You should apply it sometimes. Now is definitely one of those times.

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What? Cung Le is one of the best pure strikers in MMA? I think you're confused. He's certainly one of the flashiest strikers in MMA, but best? No. He's another guy that would do terribly in the UFC right now. I'd rank him just below Denis Kang in the UFC MW division right now.

Be real chork.

1. Cung Le has one of the best striking pedigrees in MMA. You can't deny it. Find me one expert that would deny he is one of the best pure strikers in MMA. One link to anything respectable. Besides, if you've ever watched him fight you could plainly see how good he is at striking.

2. Pure Striker, not fighter. Same way Semmy Schilt is the best pure striking HW in MMA. Same way Dean Lister and Jeff Monson are some of the best pure grapplers in MMA.

3. For a UFC homer you seem behind, Denis Kang is cut and fights for MFC or some shit now.

IMO Scott Smith is every bit as good as Dan Hardy. Of course they are two different weight classes and for thier weight class Hardy is a much better fighter. But in just a head to head matchup I think Smith is every bit as good as Hardy.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

IMO Scott Smith is every bit as good as Dan Hardy. Of course they are two different weight classes and for thier weight class Hardy is a much better fighter. But in just a head to head matchup I think Smith is every bit as good as Hardy.

What?

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

IMO Scott Smith is every bit as good as Dan Hardy. Of course they are two different weight classes and for thier weight class Hardy is a much better fighter. But in just a head to head matchup I think Smith is every bit as good as Hardy.

What?

Yeah seriously, Hardy isn't shit. Swick and Davis are both overrated and he won a very close split dec over Davis. Smith has a nice chin and even better KO power then Hardy. Like I said Hardy is a much higher ranked WW then Smith is MW, but in a straight up fight I'll take Smith in a close one.

How is Swick overrated? Who is overrating him?

How do you compare Hardy's impecible sense of timing to Scott Smiths last ditch effort haymakers? I'm just curious. No one is overrating Swick, he is ranked by anyone with any sense right where he should be at the very bottom of the top ten, and by some just outside it. Had it not been for Le's lack of conditioning Smith would have left the Cage battered and a loser.

LudoCain wrote:

How do you compare Hardy's impecible sense of timing to Scott Smiths last ditch effort haymakers? I'm just curious. No one is overrating Swick, he is ranked by anyone with any sense right where he should be at the very bottom of the top ten, and by some just outside it. Had it not been for Le's lack of conditioning Smith would have left the Cage battered and a loser.

Could Hardy beat Smith? I don't think so. They are not in the same weight class obviously. What the fuck are you talking about "impecible sense of timing" that is like the biggest overstatement of all time. Hardy isn't "impecible" at anything he was ever done in his life. I think Smith would leave Hardy face down in the cage.
As for Swick being overrated, how the fuck does beating Davis(split dec) and Swick give you a title shot? Are either top 5 WW in the UFC right now? Hardy is lucky he never got Kos, Fitch or Alves on his way to a title shot.

Just because someone isnt a top 5 WW in the UFC does not make them overrated.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

IMO Scott Smith is every bit as good as Dan Hardy. Of course they are two different weight classes and for thier weight class Hardy is a much better fighter. But in just a head to head matchup I think Smith is every bit as good as Hardy.

What?

Yeah seriously, Hardy isn't shit. Swick and Davis are both overrated and he won a very close split dec over Davis. Smith has a nice chin and even better KO power then Hardy. Like I said Hardy is a much higher ranked WW then Smith is MW, but in a straight up fight I'll take Smith in a close one.

Are you trying to say the MW division is deeper and that is why Smith is not as highly rated or are you saying the bigger better MW (in your opinion) could fight a not as good WW (again your opinion). Both those seem way off to me. I can't stand Hardy, but he's solid and would tool Smith even though he's smaller.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

LudoCain wrote:

How do you compare Hardy's impecible sense of timing to Scott Smiths last ditch effort haymakers? I'm just curious. No one is overrating Swick, he is ranked by anyone with any sense right where he should be at the very bottom of the top ten, and by some just outside it. Had it not been for Le's lack of conditioning Smith would have left the Cage battered and a loser.

Could Hardy beat Smith? I don't think so. They are not in the same weight class obviously. What the fuck are you talking about "impecible sense of timing" that is like the biggest overstatement of all time. Hardy isn't "impecible" at anything he was ever done in his life. I think Smith would leave Hardy face down in the cage.
As for Swick being overrated, how the fuck does beating Davis(split dec) and Swick give you a title shot? Are either top 5 WW in the UFC right now? Hardy is lucky he never got Kos, Fitch or Alves on his way to a title shot.

You gotta factor in the "britishness" of Hardy

NoRegret wrote:

Just because someone isnt a top 5 WW in the UFC does not make them overrated.

At one point most people thought Swick was a top 5 UFC WW, me included. But no one who saw his last two fights would think so anymore. So he was overrated, his peak of being overrated was when he fought Hardy. Going into that fight the Swick hype train was at an all time high. But now looking back at how poorly he looked in those loses, not just the fact that he lost, you have to say he was overrated.

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

IMO Scott Smith is every bit as good as Dan Hardy. Of course they are two different weight classes and for thier weight class Hardy is a much better fighter. But in just a head to head matchup I think Smith is every bit as good as Hardy.

What?

Yeah seriously, Hardy isn't shit. Swick and Davis are both overrated and he won a very close split dec over Davis. Smith has a nice chin and even better KO power then Hardy. Like I said Hardy is a much higher ranked WW then Smith is MW, but in a straight up fight I'll take Smith in a close one.

Are you trying to say the MW division is deeper and that is why Smith is not as highly rated or are you saying the bigger better MW (in your opinion) could fight a not as good WW (again your opinion). Both those seem way off to me. I can't stand Hardy, but he's solid and would tool Smith even though he's smaller.

No, I'm not saying that the MW divison is deeper, or even close. I'm saying for 1 that Hardy is overrated. Also Smith is being underrated by some on this board(some more then others). Yes the bigger Smith, who also has a better chin and KO power would beat Hardy IMO. To say Hardy would "tool" Smith is quite funny to me. Hardy doesn't have to power to finish him or the chin to stay in a slugfest with him.