Mike Swick

*breathes, puts bulletproof vest on"

Here it goes...

I never got all the love for Mike Swick. He always seemed very average to me and i'm not sure if i ever had him in my top 10. Even when everybody was up his asshole.

As for Swick in Strikeforce. Sure he would be more way way more relavant and would probably get a title shot because of their under developed division...but Nick would have that ass and it would not even be close. So quit tripping Chorky. I also would not be Quick to pick Swick over guys like Hieron or Zaromskis. I don't see how he's better than those guys. Not saying they are better than him but how do we figure that Mike Swick is better? If he went to Bellator, i could see him being the ultimate stepping stone for some of their prospects(the future of WW class is in Bellator)....that includes Woodley in SF.

Let's face it. Swick was simply never a contender. Out of the AKA UFC Welterweights..Swick is the weak sister. He has a few decent wins over fighters of his level like Marcus Davis and Joe Riggs and is a good fighter but he's a low rung gatekeeper and i think it's a joke that Hardy's path to a title shot went through Mike fuckin Swick and not Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, Paulo Thiago or Thiago Alves.


Now on to the topic, whats next for Swick.....I say the Stun Gun...Kim Dong-hyun

While I think Diaz beats a lot of the guys Swick lost to and could hang with any 170 pound fighter besides GSP, Swick would have more of a chance against Diaz than people think because Swick's entire game plan is ;

1. corner you.

2. bum rush you with Wanderlei Silva flurries.

3. avoid throwing straight punches or jabs and instead force everyone into a firefight where they cover up, while punches in bunches overwhelm.

4. Lock in a swickatine if they get rocked and look for a takedown.

5. rinse.

6. repeat.


While that doesn't work against UFC counter-fighters anymore, Diaz high volume style and Swicks long reach could equal a barn burner. Stylistically it bodes well for him.

Swick looked gunshy against Thiago though, and didn't have any confidence in his body language. Diaz would eat that kind of shit up.

As for his UFC potential, until he learns to use his reach and upgrades his compromised striking style, he is easy pickings for the very crisp counter fighters and boxers that are making waves at WW these days. He also has some mental strides to take, because he looked scared to engage and hesitant and I think it cost him on Saturday, and this will only be worse after he got rocked and choked to death.

Don't think he trusts his chin or style anymore. Swick may be done as a top fighter.

I agree with what Wolf said. However, I think Swick needs to change camps, so he can continue to evolve and maybe get a new view on things. I love AKA and am not dissing them in anyway, but occassionally fighters need a new voice and new views to get them righted in the head and put them where they want to be, instead of where they are.

I just think Nick Diaz sucks. I honestly think he's the absolute most overrated fighter in MMA right now. Congratulations, you beat a bunch of people who are taylor made for you stylistically. Now you're a top 10 welterweight! Bullshit. He's slow and weak standing, with his shitty loopy pnches. He is definitely legit on the ground, but he's so confident in his shitty standup that he never takes it there. Swick would move in quickly and throw 2 punches to every 1 of Diaz's and eventually win a unanimous decision. As for Swick's skills, I agree that he needs to get in the gym and work on learning how to throw a better punch, but let's not forget how athletic he is. His athleticism is a world ahead of Nick Diaz's, and it would simply be the difference.

chorky777 wrote:

I just think Nick Diaz sucks. I honestly think he's the absolute most overrated fighter in MMA right now. Congratulations, you beat a bunch of people who are taylor made for you stylistically. Now you're a top 10 welterweight! Bullshit. He's slow and weak standing, with his shitty loopy pnches. He is definitely legit on the ground, but he's so confident in his shitty standup that he never takes it there. Swick would move in quickly and throw 2 punches to every 1 of Diaz's and eventually win a unanimous decision. As for Swick's skills, I agree that he needs to get in the gym and work on learning how to throw a better punch, but let's not forget how athletic he is. His athleticism is a world ahead of Nick Diaz's, and it would simply be the difference.

Wow, I just think you are all wrong here. You are not giving Nick near enough credit, or his opponents. Just because Dana wasn't there to hype up his opponents doesn't mean they are a bunch of cans. You can have some nice wins outside of the UFC, he even fought larger opponents and his "slow and weak" standup was pretty effective. He would hurt Swick with those punches.

He has a point about the hand speed. Like I said, Swick has more of a chance here against Diaz style wise than he does most other top ten WW's.

i used to think this guys was the next big thing, now i agree i see him as more of a gatekeeper.

Swick looked better at 185.


Swick vs Diaz would be a great fight.

chorky777 wrote:

I just think Nick Diaz sucks. I honestly think he's the absolute most overrated fighter in MMA right now. Congratulations, you beat a bunch of people who are taylor made for you stylistically. Now you're a top 10 welterweight! Bullshit. He's slow and weak standing, with his shitty loopy pnches. He is definitely legit on the ground, but he's so confident in his shitty standup that he never takes it there. Swick would move in quickly and throw 2 punches to every 1 of Diaz's and eventually win a unanimous decision. As for Swick's skills, I agree that he needs to get in the gym and work on learning how to throw a better punch, but let's not forget how athletic he is. His athleticism is a world ahead of Nick Diaz's, and it would simply be the difference.

So Nick Diaz throwing on average 150 strikes per round mean Swick would throw 300? Lay off the pipe.

How was Zaromskis taylor made for Diaz? Kicks that made people see him as the next coming of Cro Cop, not to mention his overall striking was supposed to be much more crisp than Diaz'(and in my opinion it was for what little time he was able to execute).

I'll give you Scott Smith as and Frank Shamrock as gimme opponents, but your dead wrong on Zaromskis. As far as overrated goes, a guy leaves the UFC and goes on an absolute tear, losing only by doctor stoppage to Noons and winning 6 straight enroute to a title means he's overrated? So he didn't beat UFC title contenders, he wasn't in the UFC. Those weak shitty looping punches made Zaromskis cower like a bitch the weekend before last.

Marius couldn't land the headkick because Nick is too tall, and his aggressive style paired with a reach disadvantage did him in, I'll say this much is true.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

I just think Nick Diaz sucks. I honestly think he's the absolute most overrated fighter in MMA right now. Congratulations, you beat a bunch of people who are taylor made for you stylistically. Now you're a top 10 welterweight! Bullshit. He's slow and weak standing, with his shitty loopy pnches. He is definitely legit on the ground, but he's so confident in his shitty standup that he never takes it there. Swick would move in quickly and throw 2 punches to every 1 of Diaz's and eventually win a unanimous decision. As for Swick's skills, I agree that he needs to get in the gym and work on learning how to throw a better punch, but let's not forget how athletic he is. His athleticism is a world ahead of Nick Diaz's, and it would simply be the difference.

Wow, I just think you are all wrong here. You are not giving Nick near enough credit, or his opponents. Just because Dana wasn't there to hype up his opponents doesn't mean they are a bunch of cans. You can have some nice wins outside of the UFC, he even fought larger opponents and his "slow and weak" standup was pretty effective. He would hurt Swick with those punches.

Which opponent am I not giving credit to? Frank Shamrock? Scott Smith? They suck. And I love Scott Smith. Zaromskis is a decent prospect, but Nick Diaz is a stylistic nightmare because of his solid chin and his length. Diaz loses to almost every one of the top welterweights in the UFC. GSP? Would be more dominant than the GSP vs. Fitch fight. Fitch? Takes him down and controls him with ease. Same with Koscheck. Rumble kills him with his athleticism. I don't even want to think about what Alves would do to him. I think he'd break at least his nose, and probably an orbital or two. Hardy out points him with stronger punches that score more with the judges than the pitter-patter garbage Diaz throws. I'm sorry, but he's just not as good standing as a lot of people seem to think. I watch him throw punches and wonder why Freddie Roach would ever put up with that.

Chorky... there is so much wrong with what you said, I would prefer to just leave it alone. I'm not going to even start.

Chroky Nick Diaz would box the fuck out of Mike Swick, you have to be kidding me.

And you still continue to use "Pitter Patter" to describe Diaz after he destroyed Zaromskis who was down for several minutes after Diaz finished him. So fucking ignorant it's ridiculous.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Chorky... there is so much wrong with what you said, I would prefer to just leave it alone. I'm not going to even start.

Ya, I was ready to dive in myself...

no thanks

oggy420 wrote:

Chroky Nick Diaz would box the fuck out of Mike Swick, you have to be kidding me.

And you still continue to use "Pitter Patter" to describe Diaz after he destroyed Zaromskis who was down for several minutes after Diaz finished him. So fucking ignorant it's ridiculous.

Oggy, look at your gif. He throws over 15 punches, 2 of which looks like he knew how to throw a punch. He wings his arms around like a street fighter. He doesn't use his whole body in any of his punches except for a few uppercuts. I'd say he needs a good boxing coach, but he clearly has one. I don't know why people are taking such offense to the idea that Nick Diaz throws weak punches. Is there anyone else that would need to land over 300 standing punches before knocking out his opponent? I doubt it. Maybe Demian Maia and some flyweights. I'm sorry guys, but from a technical standpoint, Nick Diaz is not a good striker. He's been blessed with good matchups, some height, and a tenacious style. He would be a decent middle of the road fighter in the UFC, but he has too many holes in his game with his terrible wrestling and slow, weak hands to be a top contender.

He rocked Marius like less than 20 seconds into that fight on the first flurry they had

The UFC has magic dominion over the best fighters in the world guys, Chorky is right. Diaz is a scrub and Mike Swick would rule Strikeforce.


(this is easier)

chorky777 wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Chroky Nick Diaz would box the fuck out of Mike Swick, you have to be kidding me.

And you still continue to use "Pitter Patter" to describe Diaz after he destroyed Zaromskis who was down for several minutes after Diaz finished him. So fucking ignorant it's ridiculous.

Oggy, look at your gif. He throws over 15 punches, 2 of which looks like he knew how to throw a punch. He wings his arms around like a street fighter. He doesn't use his whole body in any of his punches except for a few uppercuts. I'd say he needs a good boxing coach, but he clearly has one. I don't know why people are taking such offense to the idea that Nick Diaz throws weak punches. Is there anyone else that would need to land over 300 standing punches before knocking out his opponent? I doubt it. Maybe Demian Maia and some flyweights. I'm sorry guys, but from a technical standpoint, Nick Diaz is not a good striker. He's been blessed with good matchups, some height, and a tenacious style. He would be a decent middle of the road fighter in the UFC, but he has too many holes in his game with his terrible wrestling and slow, weak hands to be a top contender.

Dude, first of all Nick Diaz isn't a text book boxer, but his strikes are unorthodox and come from so many angles that you never know what he is gonna throw, he is unpredictable. Thats why a guy like Zaromskis who is a very good striker by the way, could not find his range because he was constantly having to defend punches that he couldn't see coming. And you are sitting here trying to talk shit about Nick Diaz's boxing compared to who? Mike fucking Swick? For reals? He has fast hands i'll give him that, but even compared to Diaz his boxing technically is almost amateur. He basically uses his hand speed and charges in wildly throwing strait punches leaving himself wide open for counter attacks.

And while we're on the subject, when you look at the best strikers in mma history, the Chuck Liddell's, even Fedor, those guys do not have great boxing and both throw looping punches. So i fail to see your point that unless you have one punch stopping power (which Nick Diaz has ko'd or at least tko'd numerous fighter with one or 2 punches) that means you are no good at striking. What Nick Diaz may lack in power, he makes up for in sheer volume of punches and incredible accuracy, and if you try to deny that then i'll just pull up the fight metrics on any random Diaz fight to prove my point, but that should go without saying really.

And i love how a guy who's probably never sparred or done anything compared to what these guys do in the cage can say that Nick Diaz doesn't have power. When Zaromskis was curling up in a ball getting blasted by those boddy shots and hooks and uppercuts you think he was thinking "man this guy throws really weak punches" ? Ohh no wait he was probably saying that after he got ko'd and didn't get back up for about 3 minutes. Amiright?

Who is the one guy Scott Smith never had a chance to land that comeback blow against? And he's fought tons of knockout punchers.

Man by MMA standard's I'd say Diaz is pretty high up on the pure boxing skill ladder. He actually throws jab's, he consistently throws combo's, he set's up punches, and he works the body. Not putting all his weight into a majority of his punches is also an admirable boxing trait, and it's all the more useful in MMA because of the larger #'s of possible counters.

And u cannot write off his reach as if it's not a legitimate advantage. Really no different then hand speed and pure punching power.

His chin should not be left out of the equation either.

nick is sneaky good, there is no denying his skillset and he does not even attempt to utilize his guard game

Diaz has been great in Strikeforce but I seriously doubt we'd be talking about him this way if he was still fighting in the UFC. His win over Zaromskis was nice for sure but his overall competition lately is not that great.

I'm not trying to put Diaz down, he's done all he can do which is dominate the opponents that SF puts in front of him. I just don't think he has that much success in the UFC WW division.

And while we may look down our noses at his wins over Shamrock and Smith, those were fought at a higher weight then the one in which he holds a title. His NC over Gomi should also be looked at as a quality win. Combine that with his domination of Zaromskis and his recent resume looks pretty good.

I love how people write off Shamrock as some can even though he didn't embarrass himself at all in a fight of the year canidate against one of the best pure strikers in MMA in Cung Le, just because he is in his mid 30s and the UFC hype train makes it out like he never existed and wasn't one of the greatest of all time.