Who do you blame Dana ufc or Jones?

Ludo wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

I wonder, does Jon Jones need the UFC more then the UFC needs Jon Jones?

That's a good question. On the one hand if Jones were to split from the UFC it could be potentially another Fedor situation where it's universally recognized that the guy with the UFC title isn't "really" the champ, but Jones would suffer from pretty much no competition outside of the UFC, especially at 205. Zuffa pretty much has everyone worth a shit at 205 anymore except for maybe two guys in Bellator.

Actually Rampage will be out of the UFC soon and available to fight lol. But yeah you got Mo in Bellator right now. You can't tell me you aren't excited about the possible Bones vs Linderman for the LFC LHW Championship.

I was just wondering that last night when suggestions were flying from all sides including firing Jones or that Jones should leave for being disrespected by Dana.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I was just wondering that last night when suggestions were flying from all sides including firing Jones or that Jones should leave for being disrespected by Dana.

That can't be an option though can it? It's not like anything Dana did voided out Bones' contract.

They HAVE to have a plan B going on. Except they have much more cushion this time around. Even if Vitor fight is called off that show will go on as planned and still have a title fight as the main event. But IF Vitor got hurt I would be willing to bet that Hendo vs Bones is re-booked and Vitor would get Stann-Bisping winner or something along those lines.

Jon Jones is to blame for the card being scrapped, I guarantee know one saw that coming and he just showed that he is not a company man like all the greats that came before him, there is no reason to be scared of Sonnen, he would probably take him out in 1,

The UFC really needs to stop putting on so many events because the talent pool is getting low with injuries and the time between shows, 1 PPV a month and some months do a free card to meet that quota.

I don't think Vitor will be able to do anything against Jones, with that being said I think Jones should've been made more of an example, the boxing orginizations strip belts for shit like this, and Greg Jackson, he used to have exciting guys, when he told GSP to lay on Hardy, that pretty much told me where his gameplan had gone

cascade_run wrote:

Jon Jones is to blame for the card being scrapped, I guarantee know one saw that coming and he just showed that he is not a company man like all the greats that came before him, there is no reason to be scared of Sonnen, he would probably take him out in 1,

The UFC really needs to stop putting on so many events because the talent pool is getting low with injuries and the time between shows, 1 PPV a month and some months do a free card to meet that quota.

I don't think Vitor will be able to do anything against Jones, with that being said I think Jones should've been made more of an example, the boxing orginizations strip belts for shit like this, and Greg Jackson, he used to have exciting guys, when he told GSP to lay on Hardy, that pretty much told me where his gameplan had gone

They really can't do that kind of event schedule anymore, though. The roster is just too big for that. 352 current fighters across 8 divisions on the roster right now. At 12-20 events per year like you're suggesting that's a maximum of 220 fights per year. That barely covers each fighter only fighting once per year. Point blank they cannot run like that.

Mostly Jones, but UFC has been able to still put on a card despite injuries to the main event in the past. However this time, with the co-main event being at best the main event for a weak FX card(Ellenberger/Hieron) they really had no way to try to sell this as a PPV or ask ticket buyers to not feel ripped off.

It's harder now to keep co-main events big fight caliber with all these events now

@JonnyBones: Glad you guys are opening up your eyes “@bladerballer: @JonnyBones Hendo injured 3+ weeks ago?!!? Who carries the blame now?”

@JonnyBones: Glad you guys are opening up your eyes “@bladerballer: @JonnyBones Hendo injured 3+ weeks ago?!!? Who carries the blame now?”

Answer: Jon Jones

What Dan looked like when they told him Bones turned down Sonnen matchup.

Dan not notifying the UFC sooner isn't good, however as I said before for someone who's never had a torn MCL before he may have thought it would get better in a week or two. Hendo was dead set against pulling out, he was going to go in there on essentially one leg if he had to. It wasn't until the UFC doctor said he couldn't compete that he relented. He was willing to take a championship fight against the most dominant light heavyweight champion since Chuck Liddell with a knee that hurt him even to be in top position on the ground. That same champion refused to fight a replacement when it was announced. Dan isn't the bitch here. He could have handled it differently for sure, but he isn't the one who screwed this pooch.

OU wrote:

What Dan looked like when they told him Bones turned down Sonnen matchup.

does this picture show up? it did for me at work but not at home.

No I had to go to copy the address in the address bar to see it, then it appeared on this site after.

Jones. Decision was his to make.

But I do want to blame his camp as much as I can. We all know this guy is immature, we all know his rep was not good prior, how does his camp not tell him to take a very very winnable fight, get the $$$, maybe get some fans on his side, but most importantly avoid this shitstorm? Jones needs a pr person in the worst way.

Only way I blame the UFC on this card being cancelled is if they did not fully express that cancelling the event was the consequence of Bones not fighting.

Blaming UFC for holding way too many watered down events seems like a very legit, but Jones still could and should have saved the event by fighting Sonnen.

Now Dana attacking Jones? That's BS imo. Yes Jones should have taken the fight, and yes alot of people were caught in the wake, but did Jones ever ask to be the care taker of all these other fighters? Taking care of those fighters is the UFC's responsibility, not Jones's.

I dunno, maybe I should place more blame with the UFC. Fuck it, I'll go 50/50. Bones and his camp get half, UFC gets half.

And I could give a shit about Jones being a "company" man.

He should have stayed on the card for the other fighters. No doubt.

But I def don't think he should put himself in an uncomfortable spot for the sake of guys like Dana and Lorenzo.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/28/3273646/anderson-silva-tried-save-ufc-151-jon-jones-chael-sonnen-mma-news

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You have a whole camp preparing to fight a specific athlete When the opponent changes, the preparation changes a bit. I thought he could have fought Chael, but it’s his decision. He prepared to fight Dan Henderson. The whole team thought it was best not to fight.

When I heard the event might be canceled, I called [UFC President] Dana White and said I would fight in the light heavyweight division against someone who also wasn’t training for the event. Besides the main fight, the event had many other fighters who depended on it. I worried about that, because I have lived through situations like this in smaller events.

-Anderson Silva

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"Listen. When you're the champion, when you're the UFC Light Heavyweight Champion of the world, you gotta take fights. It's hard for me to judge Jon Jones. He's a hell of a fighter, and he'll go down in history as the youngest champion ever. He's incredible, but, I've got to say, I was a little disappointed when he didn't take the fight. He was offered a fight against Chael Sonnen on eight days notice. I, personally, was offered a fight against Chael Sonnen on eight days notice. I chose to take that fight. I don't know what that means. I don't know what those facts say. Maybe it means I'm a badass. I took the fight. I'm just confused as to why Jon Jones didn't. I think it's a fight Jones would have won. Obviously, he would have been in better shape than Chael. He's been preparing for that night, so it's a little confusing."

-Bisping

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/8/28/3275444/ufc-151-rashad-evans-jon-jones-sonnen-mma-news

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"You have a tremendous responsibility as the champion. You are the champion of the UFC. Not only that, you became champion of the UFC through circumstances like this. You had the opportunity to fight for someone that was injured. He stepped into a fight, after I got hurt, so he stepped in for me to fight Shogun. So, he was rewarded by the very process of somebody stepping in to take a fight. So, he owed it to the UFC to take the fight. Not only that, he owed it to all the other fighters on this card who are going to be missing paydays because of that.

And lets not talk about how the UFC has done so much to make him the face of the UFC. They sponsored him. Everything he's gotten is because of the UFC, the whole Nike endorsement and everything else like that, has all been because of the UFC. When he got in trouble a few months back, it was the UFC who stood behind him and kind of made it go away relatively quickly. So, for him to turn his back on the UFC is very hard to believe, for one, but it's just disappointing. I'm sure one day, when he has the time to understand the ramifications of his decision, he's is gonna think, 'Wow. What did I really do?'"

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Nice to see Hendo taking some blame.

Ali wrote:

Nice to see Hendo taking some blame.

Too bad Dana doesn't accept the blame for having such a weak ass undercard. But I guess it's easier to blame Hendo for wanting to fight hurt.

OU wrote:

Ali wrote:

Nice to see Hendo taking some blame.

Too bad Dana doesn't accept the blame for having such a weak ass undercard. But I guess it's easier to blame Hendo for wanting to fight hurt.

I said some not all of.

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@JonnyBones I'm disappointed in u. When no one else had your back I did. The only reason u make the money u do is because I fought & spoke out no other fighters would. The next time u are riding in your Bentley remember who fought for the fighters. If not u maybe riding in a truck. #noonehadtheballtostandthereground. "

-Tito Ortiz

Where is a grammar nazi when you need one?

OU wrote:

Ali wrote:

Nice to see Hendo taking some blame.

Too bad Dana doesn't accept the blame for having such a weak ass undercard. But I guess it's easier to blame Hendo for wanting to fight hurt.

I would respect Dana so much more if he would. Yet he doesn't, and so I don't.

Also the "This might be the first time I agree with u" to Ariel? Is that a running gag or something?