Who do you blame Dana ufc or Jones?

Ludo wrote:

it's an epic!!!

OU wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

OU wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

OU wrote:

60% blame on Jones
30% blame on Greg Jackson
10% blame on Dana. It's absolutely true that if the PPV wasn't so weak, we would still have a card. The UFC has had some extremely watered down cards recently and that was a factor here.

Lets not forget that the co main event on this card got scratched because of injury as well, Kosh had to pull out cuz of injury

They raised the interesting question on mmajunkie radio yesterday right after the live conference. They asked if the event would still be going on if Kos didn't get injured? Interesting question. But this was a weak card outside of the main event, which Zuffa deserves the blame for.

with all the injuries happening and so many cards, the ufc will have to rethink their plans for the future. no way can they afford another hit like this

Hopefully they attempt to stack the cards a little more. It's been pretty bad of late.

God I hope we do get some good out of this mess. Maybe the big boys will go back to the drawing board and scrap a few events and make this shit worth my 60 bucks again. Have to admit I have skipped a couple of events on ppv this last year which I never thought would happen. I thought I was losing some interest but NO its just these week ass cards. I know the fighters and times have changed some but damn.

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

There is like 15 fights currently booked for FX5 lol

OU wrote:

There is like 15 fights currently booked for FX5 lol

Fuckin' A right, man! That's going to be like 8 hours of fights in all.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Ludo wrote:

it's an epic!!!

lol

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I should clarify the Jones camp in general when I say Jones.

UFC's blame is that the show was not the strongest, that they could of still went ahead at a loss, that they simply didn't attempt to do a Sonnen vs Chris or anyone else that wanted to step up fight. But Jones had a yes or no choice and it was no. that is pretty strong.

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

There is like 15 fights currently booked for FX5 lol

Fuckin' A right, man! That's going to be like 8 hours of fights in all.

Will be cool for those with tickets to the event. The Jay-Jake fight helps the main card. But I bet there will be 3-4 fights on Facebook for that event.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I should clarify the Jones camp in general when I say Jones.

UFC's blame is that the show was not the strongest, that they could of still went ahead at a loss, that they simply didn't attempt to do a Sonnen vs Chris or anyone else that wanted to step up fight. But Jones had a yes or no choice and it was no. that is pretty strong.

Understandable.

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

I agree Greg has his place in the blame game. But at the end of the day he's a trainer. All he's doing is giving Jon his personal opinion. Jon chose to ignore his manager's professional opinion, the professional opinion Jon pays Kawa to give, in favor of Greg's personal opinion. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

I agree Greg has his place in the blame game. But at the end of the day he's a trainer. All he's doing is giving Jon his personal opinion. Jon chose to ignore his manager's professional opinion, the professional opinion Jon pays Kawa to give, in favor of Greg's personal opinion. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

what was Kawas take on the whole debacle?

killerofchicken wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

I agree Greg has his place in the blame game. But at the end of the day he's a trainer. All he's doing is giving Jon his personal opinion. Jon chose to ignore his manager's professional opinion, the professional opinion Jon pays Kawa to give, in favor of Greg's personal opinion. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

what was Kawas take on the whole debacle?

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Malki Kawa. Malki is Jones manager/agent. By all accounts, he accounts for very little of the blame. One of the (unsubstantiated) stories I heard throughout the day was that Kawa wanted Jones to take the fight, but Greg Jackson didn't and Jones listened to Greg. The only fault Kawa has is that he was unable to convince his client (if he even believed it in the first place) to take the fight against Sonnen or whatever other opponent the UFC offered.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/24/3264952/the-ufc-151-debacle-blame-list-who-you-should-be-mad-at-and-why

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

There is like 15 fights currently booked for FX5 lol

Fuckin' A right, man! That's going to be like 8 hours of fights in all.

Will be cool for those with tickets to the event. The Jay-Jake fight helps the main card. But I bet there will be 3-4 fights on Facebook for that event.

I don't care if they put 8 of the fights on facebook. I was interested some of these matchups from the would be 151 and still am. It'll be pretty epic if they put on a 15 fight card and do right by those guys who got fucked over yesterday within the next month(which they could since we have two free cards coming before UFC152 I believe). Facebook is the only choice that really makes sense for alot of the fights because I think FX/Fuel only have limited timeslots for the undercards/main cards.

I bet Wolf would be in here defending the fuck out of Jones

lol

killerofchicken wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

I agree Greg has his place in the blame game. But at the end of the day he's a trainer. All he's doing is giving Jon his personal opinion. Jon chose to ignore his manager's professional opinion, the professional opinion Jon pays Kawa to give, in favor of Greg's personal opinion. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

what was Kawas take on the whole debacle?

I read somewhere that he urged Jon to take the fight with Sonnen.

OU wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Jones 88% then based on today's discussion. There were other factors, but his decision was the crux of the situation.

I don't think you are giving Greg Jackson his fair share of the blame. Sounds like he didn't even give Jones the opportunity to consider it without telling him it was the dumbest thing he could ever do.

More blame belongs to Jones even in that. His own manager tried to convince him to take the fight but he wouldn't listen to his own manager over Jackson. Jackson didn't make himself more important to Jon than Jon's manager, Jon did.

I think Greg deserves his fair share of the blame. But like I mentioned before, there isn't anything out there that will take the bulk of the blame off Bones. He deserves most of the blame. But Greg deserves his share and he deserved the EPIC rant Dana put on him yesterday.

I agree Greg has his place in the blame game. But at the end of the day he's a trainer. All he's doing is giving Jon his personal opinion. Jon chose to ignore his manager's professional opinion, the professional opinion Jon pays Kawa to give, in favor of Greg's personal opinion. You can lead a horse to water and all that.

what was Kawas take on the whole debacle?

Quote :

Malki Kawa. Malki is Jones manager/agent. By all accounts, he accounts for very little of the blame. One of the (unsubstantiated) stories I heard throughout the day was that Kawa wanted Jones to take the fight, but Greg Jackson didn't and Jones listened to Greg. The only fault Kawa has is that he was unable to convince his client (if he even believed it in the first place) to take the fight against Sonnen or whatever other opponent the UFC offered.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/24/3264952/the-ufc-151-debacle-blame-list-who-you-should-be-mad-at-and-why

wow. just wow! and Kawa is one of the guys I dislike as managers but props to him for tryin'

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

Ludo wrote:

OU wrote:

There is like 15 fights currently booked for FX5 lol

Fuckin' A right, man! That's going to be like 8 hours of fights in all.

Will be cool for those with tickets to the event. The Jay-Jake fight helps the main card. But I bet there will be 3-4 fights on Facebook for that event.

I don't care if they put 8 of the fights on facebook. I was interested some of these matchups from the would be 151 and still am. It'll be pretty epic if they put on a 15 fight card and do right by those guys who got fucked over yesterday within the next month(which they could since we have two free cards coming before UFC152 I believe). Facebook is the only choice that really makes sense for alot of the fights because I think FX/Fuel only have limited timeslots for the undercards/main cards.

I agree with all of that. They don't have to worry about scheduling with Facebook so they can and probably will pile it on there.

I wonder what happens if Vitor gets hurt 10 days before UFC 152 and they again offer Sonnen as a replacement.

LOL

I wonder, does Jon Jones need the UFC more then the UFC needs Jon Jones?

GDPofDRC wrote:

I wonder what happens if Vitor gets hurt 10 days before UFC 152 and they again offer Sonnen as a replacement.

Don't you put that evil on Me, Ricky Bobby! Don't you put that evil on us!

I had my fingers crossed while typing it, don't worry. It took a while.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I wonder, does Jon Jones need the UFC more then the UFC needs Jon Jones?

That's a good question. On the one hand if Jones were to split from the UFC it could be potentially another Fedor situation where it's universally recognized that the guy with the UFC title isn't "really" the champ, but Jones would suffer from pretty much no competition outside of the UFC, especially at 205. Zuffa pretty much has everyone worth a shit at 205 anymore except for maybe two guys in Bellator.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I wonder what happens if Vitor gets hurt 10 days before UFC 152 and they again offer Sonnen as a replacement.

Hopefully, the UFC has a backup plan in place NOW. They need an IF scenario for this on. Pay some fighter to get into camp now and be ready.