Who Won the First Round Between Fedor v Rogers?

Winner of the first round between Rogers and Fedor since there seems to be some people who believe Rogers may have won the first round(their argument is based mostly on the ground and pound).

I believe Fedor won the first round after watching it 3 times since the original airing. He landed a nice left hand on Rogers and then took him down twice during the course of the round. He also had 2 submission attempts and was on top of Rogers for the most part of their ground match. Other than the ground and pound by Rogers, I think Fedor controlled the first round.

Fedor landed more and had a couple of takedowns and sub attempts but didn't do much with them. (other than rocking him once standing up) Rogers cut him with the jab and flirted with ending the fight in the GnP. As a Fedor fan, i was very worried at that moment. And Rogers defended the sub attempts very well. I would give the round to Rogers but very close. It could have gone either way. I'm just happy to say this debate doesn't mean a damn think because Rogers got KTFO in the 2nd

In all honesty, taking someone down and garnering an amount of controll over them are two different things. I didn't see any actual control, but will re-watch it.

I give it to Fedor, but only because he was the champion and that counts for extra points.

Rogers claim to the first is entirely based on a jab that cut the nose, holding the fence to keep Fedor pinned while kneeing the legs and 10 seconds of top position where he landed a few shots and a couple of escapes. Fedor did much more, IMO. 2 takdowns, multiple big punches leading to one of the takedowns, short punches from top position on 2 different occasions, 3 submission attempts and control on the ground for all but about 20 seconds. The only way anyone could see this as a round for Rogers is if they had those special glasses on, IMO...

I agree completely and you are right on the 3 submission attempts, I had previously stated 2.

If you go by damage and give him points for submission escapes, than Rogers.

If you want to go by points like takedowns, strikes landed, and submission attempts Fedor won the round soundly.

I always love the fan that thinks that escaping and sub defense scores higher than takedowns and submission attempts... Somehow, the realization that you have to be in a shitty spot to be on your ass or in sub danger in the first place seems to escape their minds. And of course a jab that cuts is more impressive than two huge bombs that leave a fighter reeling and ultimately on his back. Now there's not very many members of the Cecil People's Fan Club, but this type of thinking tells you exactly who the card carriers are...

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

I always love the fan that thinks that escaping and sub defense scores higher than takedowns and submission attempts... Somehow, the realization that you have to be in a shitty spot to be on your ass or in sub danger in the first place seems to escape their minds. And of course a jab that cuts is more impressive than two huge bombs that leave a fighter reeling and ultimately on his back. Now there's not very many members of the Cecil People's Fan Club, but this type of thinking tells you exactly who the card carriers are...

I agree, i don't think sub escapes mean shit.

KmacLamb23 wrote:

Rogers cut him with the jab and flirted with ending the fight in the GnP.

That just simply isnt true because Fedor was not even close to being finished there and the jab just re opened up a cut he received in training from Alek although I still think it might be broken too.



Fedor won the round.

Fedor
controled dominant positions for the majority of the round
Landed the harder shots on their feet.
3 sub attempts
2 takedowns


Brett
Landed a jab
Landed some shots from mount while Fedor was setting up the arm bar

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

I always love the fan that thinks that escaping and sub defense scores higher than takedowns and submission attempts... Somehow, the realization that you have to be in a shitty spot to be on your ass or in sub danger in the first place seems to escape their minds. And of course a jab that cuts is more impressive than two huge bombs that leave a fighter reeling and ultimately on his back. Now there's not very many members of the Cecil People's Fan Club, but this type of thinking tells you exactly who the card carriers are...

If you're referring to me, I think Cecil's an idiot and I thought Shogun beat Machida 4 rounds to 1

KmacLamb23 wrote:

Fedor landed more and had a couple of takedowns and sub attempts but didn't do much with them. (other than rocking him once standing up) Rogers cut him with the jab and flirted with ending the fight in the GnP. As a Fedor fan, i was very worried at that moment. And Rogers defended the sub attempts very well. I would give the round to Rogers but very close. It could have gone either way. I'm just happy to say this debate doesn't mean a damn think because Rogers got KTFO in the 2nd

Please Rewatch the fight when Rogers was GnP Fedor. Only 3 punches really connected.....

I count 3 punches actually landing....

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

In all honesty, taking someone down and garnering an amount of controll over them are two different things. I didn't see any actual control, but will re-watch it.

But Grim didn't control anything either. If you think takedowns shouldn't count for points, that opinion should be held in all fights, not just the ones Fedor fights in. Fedor won the round, if it was any other HW fighting, this question would have never been asked. He had more standing strikes, and strikes on the ground. Just beacuse Fedor dosn't submit the guy in 10 seconds via flying arm bar dosn't mean the round should go to Grim. This is the same deal with the shogun fight.

I thought Fedor won the round but not by as much as some of u guys who seem to think he dominated the round. Ninja ur right 3 punches might have landed but there was no way the judges could tell only 3 landed cause live it looked like he was landing a ton in the position he was in even though now with replay we see it was only 3 that really landed.

In the damage aspect, Fedor still wins since Rogers was wobbled twice, while Fedor sustained a cut. Being twice concussed > a bloody nose.

ohiovol62 wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

In all honesty, taking someone down and garnering an amount of controll over them are two different things. I didn't see any actual control, but will re-watch it.

But Grim didn't control anything either. If you think takedowns shouldn't count for points, that opinion should be held in all fights, not just the ones Fedor fights in. Fedor won the round, if it was any other HW fighting, this question would have never been asked. He had more standing strikes, and strikes on the ground. Just beacuse Fedor dosn't submit the guy in 10 seconds via flying arm bar dosn't mean the round should go to Grim. This is the same deal with the shogun fight.

Not disagreeing Ohio, I just saw it the once and will re-watch it. But from my memory, Fedor ducking his head and throwing punches at the same time does not win points. Two, I am not a Fedor fan. I am the one person here who is unimpressed with his level of opponents of the last few years. So no heroe worship on my part. But as I said before I will watch again. And everybody, please quit talking about Fedor like he just beat the shit out Goro from Mortal Combat. He beat a guy who has only fought 1 named fighter previously who was Glass Joe Arlovski. Like any of you actually thought Grim was going to win.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Fedor ducking his head and throwing punches at the same time does not win points. I am the one person here who is unimpressed with his level of opponents of the last few years.

Maybe I misunderstood you but are you saying the punches he landed should not count because he had his head tucked????

Also who has he not faced in the last few years that leaves you unimpressed?

Fedor won it and it wasn't even a close round... that would be obvious to everyone if Fedor didn't come into the fight with a cut on his nose.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

In all honesty, taking someone down and garnering an amount of controll over them are two different things. I didn't see any actual control, but will re-watch it.

But Grim didn't control anything either. If you think takedowns shouldn't count for points, that opinion should be held in all fights, not just the ones Fedor fights in. Fedor won the round, if it was any other HW fighting, this question would have never been asked. He had more standing strikes, and strikes on the ground. Just beacuse Fedor dosn't submit the guy in 10 seconds via flying arm bar dosn't mean the round should go to Grim. This is the same deal with the shogun fight.

Not disagreeing Ohio, I just saw it the once and will re-watch it. But from my memory, Fedor ducking his head and throwing punches at the same time does not win points. Two, I am not a Fedor fan. I am the one person here who is unimpressed with his level of opponents of the last few years. So no heroe worship on my part. But as I said before I will watch again. And everybody, please quit talking about Fedor like he just beat the shit out Goro from Mortal Combat. He beat a guy who has only fought 1 named fighter previously who was Glass Joe Arlovski. Like any of you actually thought Grim was going to win.

Carwin just beat Gonzaga. And that got him a title shot.

OHIO: I don't disagree about the Carwin comment, that was more hype than anything else. You got a name fighter bad mouthing the champ? That just sells tickets.

I did re-watch the fight and I agree that Fedor had better control, but barely. He might take Grim down, but just couldn't do anything. As for the attempted subs? Just because he grabbed a guys arm does not mean a whole lot nor does it give points to the arm grabber.

RED: Whos has he ought since 2005? A fat Tim Sylvia, Glass Joe Arlovski, HMC? I mean if you want to throw a washed up Matt Lindland and Mark Coleman as stiff competition, I guess you can...

As far as I can tell his last REAL challenge was Cro Cop on 08/25/2005. Who should he have fought or be fighting? Lesnar, Couture, Mir just to name a few. But as Finky whined in his sleep "We want to co-promote! WHAAAAH!" You do realize that the reason they wanted to fight Brett Rogers was because they knew it was a tailor made victory against someone with little experience right?

KmacLamb23 wrote:

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

I always love the fan that thinks that escaping and sub defense scores higher than takedowns and submission attempts... Somehow, the realization that you have to be in a shitty spot to be on your ass or in sub danger in the first place seems to escape their minds. And of course a jab that cuts is more impressive than two huge bombs that leave a fighter reeling and ultimately on his back. Now there's not very many members of the Cecil People's Fan Club, but this type of thinking tells you exactly who the card carriers are...

If you're referring to me, I think Cecil's an idiot and I thought Shogun beat Machida 4 rounds to 1

Nah McSheep, if I was making reference to you I would have quoted you, pointed fingers, mocked, criticized and belittled. I think my post was fairly self explanatory.

Anyone who thinks that sub defense and takedown escapes score as highly or more than takedowns and sub attempts is an idiot and likely subscribes to the Cecil Peoples school of thought on judging a fight. And anyone who thinks a jab that leaves a cut should score more highly than two huge rights that send a fighter to the cage falls in that same category. Now if you are one of the few morons that fall into that line of thinking, then yes by all means my post was aimed at you as well and consider yourself called out, mocked, criticized and belittled for being an idiot when it comes to scoring a fight...

lol@ Randy should be fighting Mir and Couture. Ha Arlovski would murder those two and it wouldn't even be competitive.