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Greatest Ever Lightweight? | Frankie Edgar | | 36% | [ 5 ] | BJ Penn | | 57% | [ 8 ] | Other | | 7% | [ 1 ] |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:15 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:33 pm | |
| - Wolfgangsta wrote:
- I wonder how long farmer looked at the screen before just settling with "wolf sad"
It doesn't matter how long it took him to get it right, what matters is he did. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:33 pm | |
| - freakzilla wrote:
- MMAEYES wrote:
- I'm literally lmao reading the last few pages of this thread haha Classic NP! Great at work entertainment
Yeah this thread reminds me of the ones we had about 18 months to 2 years ago. Glad I could help. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:40 pm | |
| If Frankie adds 1 of these names after beating Bendo then for sure
Gilbert Melendez Jose Aldo
But Frankie doesn't get his due IMO. He's beaten a lot of good LWs including 1 decisive win over the greatest LW ever, BJ Penn. And even though he's 1-1-1 with Gray, I mean Gray is a fucking beast. Gray Maynard beats a lot, a lot of LWs throughout MMA history, and I kind of look at the draw like a win for Frankie, might have even scored it that way, but don't remember. Anyways Gray has him done and Frankie comes back like he did? That shit was big time, then he knocks him out in the trilogy? Frankie probably already is the 2nd best ever. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 4:45 pm | |
| Prime BJ Penn would straight murder Maynard. Maynard is arguably 0-2 vs Nate Diaz, 1 of those loss is a submission so no denying atleast that 1. He was also knocked out cold by Rob Emerson, just saying. Good with the bad. I think people are just jumping on Frankie for GOAT too fast. He has 2 title defenses but he is already approaching the GOAT status? I have to think the pure domination that BJ showed in his fights has to be a factor. Frankie is on the right side of some close battles. Give him time, he still has alot left that he is going to accomplish. Dude is far from done putting his stamp down. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:17 pm | |
| But he isn't 0-2 against Nate, and he did beat him the 2nd time, he did, plus Nate's mad good, another guy who doesn't always get his due. Anyways we could do good with bad with every fighter all-time, got we all know what we see, and Gray's a beast. Does prime BJ beat him? sure, but does Gray beat a lot of other primes LWs? yes. You also got to look at the LW division isn't the most decorated of divisions, there's BJ, and a bunch of other great LWs like Jens, but these guys other then BJ didn't put together such impressive resumes where Frankie can't already be in the discussion, especially after beating Bendo. Frankie is legit, and for me having watched all these other LWs, I think at least from what I've seen up until today from Frankie, that he's the 2nd best LW ever. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:29 pm | |
| I just think the dominance Penn showed is being under played here. Both guys are kind of the definition of p4p fighters, always at a size disadvantage and often fighting above what you would consider their more natural weight class. BJ Penn made some very good fighters look like they shouldn't even be in the same sport as him. BJ hurts himself with his inconsistency over the years. But IMO his peak is still superior to any performance seen by Frankie to date. But I expect Frankie to add some more gems to his resume before it's all over. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:36 pm | |
| - LA wrote:
- But he isn't 0-2 against Nate, and he did beat him the 2nd time, he did, plus Nate's mad good, another guy who doesn't always get his due. Anyways we could do good with bad with every fighter all-time, got we all know what we see, and Gray's a beast. Does prime BJ beat him? sure, but does Gray beat a lot of other primes LWs? yes. You also got to look at the LW division isn't the most decorated of divisions, there's BJ, and a bunch of other great LWs like Jens, but these guys other then BJ didn't put together such impressive resumes where Frankie can't already be in the discussion, especially after beating Bendo. Frankie is legit, and for me having watched all these other LWs, I think at least from what I've seen up until today from Frankie, that he's the 2nd best LW ever.
Gray kind of is 0-2 against Nate. He didn't really win that second fight. He got outstruck by 50% overall. 77 strikes to 52 is a wide margin to lose a standing fight. Frankie hasn't done more in his 16 fights than Gomi or Jens did back in the day. 5 of his fights are against 2 people and he pretty much split those 5 right down the middle. 1-1 with BJ, 1-1-1 with Gray. A win over Bendo puts him above Caol Uno, but not above Gomi or Pulver and certainly not above BJ. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:40 pm | |
| It was a SD, I think it's one of those where you could argue both sides. Not trying to make that the issue. I shouldn't have mentioned it. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:42 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- I just think the dominance Penn showed is being under played here. Both guys are kind of the definition of p4p fighters, always at a size disadvantage and often fighting above what you would consider their more natural weight class. BJ Penn made some very good fighters look like they shouldn't even be in the same sport as him. BJ hurts himself with his inconsistency over the years. But IMO his peak is still superior to any performance seen by Frankie to date. But I expect Frankie to add some more gems to his resume before it's all over.
Frankie worked BJ the 2nd time, he did.. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:47 pm | |
| - LA wrote:
- OU wrote:
- I just think the dominance Penn showed is being under played here. Both guys are kind of the definition of p4p fighters, always at a size disadvantage and often fighting above what you would consider their more natural weight class. BJ Penn made some very good fighters look like they shouldn't even be in the same sport as him. BJ hurts himself with his inconsistency over the years. But IMO his peak is still superior to any performance seen by Frankie to date. But I expect Frankie to add some more gems to his resume before it's all over.
Frankie worked BJ the 2nd time, he did.. It was a clear cut win but it wasn't what I would consider domination. Nothing like the domination BJ has shown in his best performances. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:47 pm | |
| I'm just saying it was a fairly lopsided fight when you look at it after the fact. Yes Edgar beat BJ convincingly in the second fight. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:52 pm | |
| - Ludo wrote:
- I'm just saying it was a fairly lopsided fight when you look at it after the fact. Yes Edgar beat BJ convincingly in the second fight.
I'm far too biased to give a credible opinion on that subject or the Diaz vs Condit fight. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:53 pm | |
| - Ludo wrote:
- LA wrote:
- But he isn't 0-2 against Nate, and he did beat him the 2nd time, he did, plus Nate's mad good, another guy who doesn't always get his due. Anyways we could do good with bad with every fighter all-time, got we all know what we see, and Gray's a beast. Does prime BJ beat him? sure, but does Gray beat a lot of other primes LWs? yes. You also got to look at the LW division isn't the most decorated of divisions, there's BJ, and a bunch of other great LWs like Jens, but these guys other then BJ didn't put together such impressive resumes where Frankie can't already be in the discussion, especially after beating Bendo. Frankie is legit, and for me having watched all these other LWs, I think at least from what I've seen up until today from Frankie, that he's the 2nd best LW ever.
Gray kind of is 0-2 against Nate. He didn't really win that second fight. He got outstruck by 50% overall. 77 strikes to 52 is a wide margin to lose a standing fight.
Frankie hasn't done more in his 16 fights than Gomi or Jens did back in the day. 5 of his fights are against 2 people and he pretty much split those 5 right down the middle. 1-1 with BJ, 1-1-1 with Gray. A win over Bendo puts him above Caol Uno, but not above Gomi or Pulver and certainly not above BJ. He was clearly landing more power shots and controlled the cage/pace, he was dictating what type of fight it was, he chose boxing, not sure why, but that fight was his. 2nd part, that's your opinion but Frankie trumps Jens, Jens has a questionable win over BJ among some other solid wins but nothing that seperates him from Frankie, not at all. His reign was too short as well. Uno isn't in Frankie's class, lets be real. Gomi you have more of a case on cause there was a run when Gomi was on fire. But I look back at his resume and it's at best right there with Frankie, but Frankie has that big win over BJ, maybe not the first, but the second is a no doubter. And then there's the fact that Frankie is kicking ass in the UFC, and even though later in his career Gomi's had a lack of success in the big show. Also, I would not pick eith Gomi or Jens in their prime to beat Frankie in his current prime, but that's me. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:55 pm | |
| You can't deny that Frankie's wins are more competitive fights then the dominance BJ was showing. Even his last KO win was a come from behind effort that can't possibly be considered domination by any stretch of the imagination. Not that you are trying to make that argument. I'm just saying BJ was outclassing fools. Frankie hasn't done anything remotely close to that as Champion so far. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:57 pm | |
| The overall feeling that Frankie doesn't get enough respect is valid. I just personally think him being in the GOAT discussion is a bit premature. I think people are getting a little caught up in the now. Just how I see it. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:00 pm | |
| The fact that Frankie isn't a finisher doesn't change much for me. Plus I've said BJ is the best ever, Frankie #2, their my 2 fav LWs ever...Frankie beats Bendo and a couple more guys, like Gil, I'd have him 1. Not really crazy to say that. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:04 pm | |
| I never said Frankie couldn't get there by the end, especially if he keeps beating people no matter how he does it. He would decision Bendo, Melendez, and Aldo and he'd have a solid bid for greatest ever based on the fact that he did beat them. My point is that we can't just ignore the greatness Gomi, Pulver, and Uno displayed during their respective primes. Let's be real here, Gomi ruined Pulver forever.
It's not unfair to say Edgar is at the very best 4th all time with only 13 opponents to his name. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:04 pm | |
| - LA wrote:
- The fact that Frankie isn't a finisher doesn't change much for me. Plus I've said BJ is the best ever, Frankie #2, their my 2 fav LWs ever...Frankie beats Bendo and a couple more guys, like Gil, I'd have him 1. Not really crazy to say that.
No it's not crazy talk, not trying to come off that way. Frankie isn't just not finishing he is in fairly competitive fights. Now I'll acknowledge the fact that the game is ever evolving and Frankie is fighting some of the best guys currently out there. But he had 2 hotly contested dec in his recent title fights. Then he has 2 more definitive wins in title fights. Dude is still going to make a ton of noise before he hangs em up. I just felt that overall the dominance of BJ was being underplayed a little bit. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:06 pm | |
| Who would have thought a freak thread would actually produce some substance? lol | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:09 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- Who would have thought a freak thread would actually produce some substance? lol
Well when you get the hardcores talking about without a doubt the most talent rich division of all time, that can happen. | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:10 pm | |
| No one ignored the greatness of Jens, Gomi, just saying a current fighter has passed them, MMA is a different sport now too. I mean it's not unfair to say he's the 2nd best LW ever with 13 opponents to his name either.
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:13 pm | |
| Gotta roll, good talk guys.
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:13 pm | |
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| Subject: Re: If Edgar beats Bendo, would that make him the greatest ever MMA Lightweight? Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:17 pm | |
| I disagree that Frankie has passed Gomi just yet. I mean, that run he had after losing to Hellboy and BJ where he beat Krazy Horse, ruined Pulver, and beat Kawajiri and Sakurai was more impressive than Frankie's current run. And Gomi did all that in a year and a half. 27-3 in his first 30 fights is nothing to scoff at when he was fighting Rumina Sato, BJ Penn, Sakurai, Pulver, Bennett, Aurellio, Ishida, Hellboy, Crusher, and Chris Brennan. | |
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