ufc diaz vs condit discussion

killerofchicken wrote:

Ali wrote:

Quote :

"It's not a bar fight, dude,"

Gray Maynard

come again?

His view on the fight.

So, did Diaz lose any fans Saturday? For going out a fighting a losing a fight then acting like a complete fucking bitch post fight, or is complete fucking bitch why people like him most?

I could see both fighters losing some fans with that fight and/or post fight actions.

2nd win in Condit's career where he didn't finish his opponent vs a career of acting like a bitter little girl... How much indignity are people going to continue to bare?

GDPofDRC wrote:

2nd win in Condit's career where he didn't finish his opponent vs a career of acting like a bitter little girl... How much indignity are people going to continue to bare?

Condit earned fans and his nickname because he went for it, I have NEVER seen Condit in a fight where he didn't attempt to finish the fight. At no point in the Diaz fight did it even cross his mind to go for a finish. Condit has never came in with a gameplan of being a points fighter. You can call it smart fighting, but that's not how Carlos has gotten down in the past, ever. It was his mentality, it wasn't the Condit I was a fan of. But again, anything on this subject from me should factor in my fanhood. No getting around that.

OU wrote:

I could see both fighters losing some fans with that fight and/or post fight actions.

What exactly did Carlos say to lose fans ?

This is what talking Diaz-Condit feels like right now...

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

OU wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

So yes, he should have to fight the same way every time no matter who he is facing? I disagree. That is counterintuitive to what should be his and any competitors goal.

wow man, wow. You need a bigger disclaimer then mine with all things Diaz. Noted. Nice troll job.

Not even trolling, discussing. But if that statement of mine is wrong, is this better:

So no, a fighter should alter and adjust his game plan to counter his opponents strengths and to meet his ultimate goal of besting his opponent. I agree with that but am now confused by the overt criticism.

Sorry if hoping that the future Condit doesn't rely on point fighting and sticks with the style I'm accustom to seeing from him, a style that made me a fan, one that defined him as a fighter so much that his nickname was given to reflect that style. Sorry if I'm disappointed that the Condit I love to watch wasn't in the cage last weekend. Does he have to fight everyone the same? No, but up until this last fight he has shown the same aggression in cage with every fight. If you watch Condit's career this last fight will stick out like a sore thumb. I realize Diaz is a different kind of animal then he is use to, but I didn't expect it to effect his style of fighting to that extreme. If that makes me a bad fan, then fine. Carlos is usually a can't miss fighter, but if he fights that way the rest of his career, I don't care if I ever see him fight again.

Honestly, I liked the fight. Diaz has been whopping people up the past few years by not just pushing forward alone, but his opponents allowing him to do so. He advances and they go straight back until his reach has them in the fence were he can punch them up or close in for knees and elbows and hurt his foes. Condit wouldn't allow that to happen, no matter how many times Diaz tried. That wasn't running away to me, that was dictating where the engagement would not take place, with him against the fence and it carried a pleasant level of intrigue and impressiveness to see the Diaz offense, which had been so potent and effective, be so well tempered. Condit displayed the real championship guile in today's game by effectively turning a whole new page on what he is capable of offensively and applying discipline to advance victorious against a dangerous opponent such as Diaz.

I was expecting Diaz to do what he has been doing because I thought I knew what Condit was gonna do. I expected Diaz to win and Condit to lose because of how I have seen them fight. Diaz did do what he does but Condit did not, he adapted and it foiled the unchanged Diaz. That was something to see. And he did it right, tagging Diaz all fight long.

Well it's pretty much impossible for me to see the fight that way. Nothing I can do can take away the natural bias. The huge let down of the epic style clash I was expecting is another obvious factor. I just have a hard time giving Carlos credit for working the scorecards with counter striking while remaining in reverse for literally 5 rounds. Carlos took Diaz out of his game, wouldn't get into the fight Diaz wanted, which is difficult to do. But he worked the system, did no damage and the most impressive thing about Carlos' performance was his ability to take Diaz out of his.