ufc diaz vs condit discussion

Ninja wrote:

Any one else think that if Cowboy used the same game plan versus Nate that Condit used versus Nick he would have won? I sure as hell do.

nah man, cerrone is a decent middle tier fighter to keep around to make entertaining fights, no more.

he was outboxed for a round by a no mark like paul kelly before taking him down and finishing it there in the second, he loses to nate 9 times out of 10 whatever his tactics imo.

Had rounds 1,3,4 for Condit.

2 for Diaz.

5 l had 10-10 but I could understand giving it for Diaz.

I had 3 and 4 for Condit and 2 for Diaz. 1 and 5 could have gone either way.

condit earned it, but idk i was disappointed in the fight. Condit wanted no part of really exchanging with Diaz, which is a smart game plan, used his length and his angles to frustrate diaz and anytime Diaz started cornering him at the fence he would duck and run out of danger. It was a smart fight by Carlos, but he didn't go at Nick they way he said he would. The fight wasn't nearly as exciting as i thought it was going to be. The difference in this fight was the footwork and angles used by Condit so that he could keep this fight at a distance and throw kicks and move out of the way of Nicks attack.

Nick needs to become more well rounded on the feet, especially when fighting a guy who is taller and has the same reach as him. Nick is used to always being the taller fighter with longer reach and so usually just focuses on getting guys stuck at the end of his range and eating punches. With a tall guy like Carlos he has to throw kicks and kicks with snap not half ass kicks. He should have been returning a leg kick everytime Condit threw one. A smart fighter like Condit is notgonna play your games nick, so you need to learn mix your attacks a little more.

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oggy420 wrote:

condit earned it, but idk i was disappointed in the fight. Condit wanted no part of really exchanging with Diaz, which is a smart game plan, used his length and his angles to frustrate diaz and anytime Diaz started cornering him at the fence he would duck and run out of danger. It was a smart fight by Carlos, but he didn't go at Nick they way he said he would. The fight wasn't nearly as exciting as i thought it was going to be. The difference in this fight was the footwork and angles used by Condit so that he could keep this fight at a distance and throw kicks and move out of the way of Nicks attack.

Nick needs to become more well rounded on the feet, especially when fighting a guy who is taller and has the same reach as him. Nick is used to always being the taller fighter with longer reach and so usually just focuses on getting guys stuck at the end of his range and eating punches. With a tall guy like Carlos he has to throw kicks and kicks with snap not half ass kicks. He should have been returning a leg kick everytime Condit threw one. A smart fighter like Condit is notgonna play your games nick, so you need to learn mix your attacks a little more.

Good post, one of the better I've seen or heard from a Diaz fan on the fight. +1

yea some people think i am criticizing the decision. i am not. i am criticizing Condits style in that fight.

I am a big fan of Diaz and Condit, which is why i was super amped for this fight. If it was Nick who fought like that, i'd be criticizing him too. I am not a fan of out-pointing someone to squeak out a decision. Im used to Carlos Condit the savage who is always trying to finish fights, not out-point someone. Thats all.

oggy420 wrote:

yea some people think i am criticizing the decision. i am not. i am criticizing Condits style in that fight.

I am a big fan of Diaz and Condit, which is why i was super amped for this fight. If it was Nick who fought like that, i'd be criticizing him too. I am not a fan of out-pointing someone to squeak out a decision. Im used to Carlos Condit the savage who is always trying to finish fights, not out-point someone. Thats all.

You're criticizing Condit for being the better smarter fighter. You think Condit should of fought a way which would allow Diaz to better utilize his strengths that have been winning him fights lately, or do I have that wrong?

Should a fighter fight every fight the same way regardless of the tools and talents of their opponent?

i prefer a style that tries to finish fights and uses a fighters skills to inflict as much damage as possible. Not out-pointing someone with insignificant strikes to squeak out a decision. I don't know how it can be anymore clear than that. I said Condit's style for this fight was smart, but not exciting. As a fight fan i want to see exciting fights, not who can out-point who and avoid exchanges the most. If that makes me the worst mma fan in the world then i am guilty as charged. Sorry for liking exciting fights over boring smart strategies.

and yea condit won, but i dont think you can say he is clearly the better fighter. All this fight proved is he is the better strategist. Skill for skill we still don't really know who the better fighter is honestly.

Yeah, I'm only reading bitter Larry now.

Ok card. Thought Pierce won rounds 1-2 vs Koscheck and should've gotten the decision. Koscheck arguably should've had a point deducted as well. Pierce has had pretty hard luck decisions against both Hendricks and Koscheck now. He's a good fighter

Card fell below my modest expectations.

I thought Diaz won the fight, 3-2, with that being said he didn't fight how he needed to, plenty of opportunities to let his hands go and saying that he would've finished the armlock had he known he was behind, bullshit man if you could've gotten it then why not, never play it safe, time after time the judges have proven they see different fights, I would think with so much on the line let it all go, leave no regrets. I can see how Condit got the decision he threw more and landed more, no they weren't take you out shots as he never sat down on one of them, constant movement that Diaz should've adjusted and and cut him off when he tried to slide out, sucks that we won't see GSP V Diaz, and I don't think Condit will be able to throw kicks like that he will get taken down over and over.

Maybe if Diaz' ultimate yes man in the corner took off the rose colored glasses and realized Condit didn't get the memo about how he was supposed to back himself into the cage and let Diaz box him up, and actually told him to try and work to the ground, Diaz might of won some more rounds Of course the tradeoff would be a lot of Nick Diaz fans being unhappy with him because that is not how he has been winning fights lately.

He isn't going to be throwing kicks like that against GSP. Its two totally different fights. He knows that he's most likely going to have hurt GSP and finish him to have a chance at winning

When in the flying fuck did "Condit should have been more aggressive and throw more techniques aimed at finishing the fight or causing damage" become "Condit should have kept his back against the cage and let nick win". I hate watching internet arguments where 100% of the participants are wrong, arguing from perspectives that shouldn't even exist. Everyone shut up.

as much as i am accused of being a diaz homer there is some clear bias coming back the other way. Only because it's "Diaz fans" does everything i've said get turned around on me as if im saying it was a robbery or that carlos is a piece of shit and i get called names because i pointed out clear overreactions by some people. It was a very close fight but i've said all along the right decision was made and that i was only disappointed in Condit's out-pointing to a decision style and for that i get blasted on here.

Oggy most of it has been unfair anti diaz nonsense. This is an embarrassing discussion.

bobbitt15 wrote:

He isn't going to be throwing kicks like that against GSP. Its two totally different fights. He knows that he's most likely going to have hurt GSP and finish him to have a chance at winning

+1

Ninja wrote:

Ali wrote:

Anyone upset with the Pierce vs. Koscheck decision ? Felt Josh was extremely fortunate to get the nod.

I scored it 30-29 for Pierce. Thought the eye pokes in that fight were beyond awful and a point should of been taken away from Kos.

Ref shouldve taken a point within 30 seconds of the last warning since KOS continued with it. Pretty sad. Neither guy won that fight though. I say Hendricks leaps them both for the awful fight they had.

Hendricks and Ellenberger are both ahead of Koscheck.