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| "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California | |
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MMAEYES Black Belt
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:02 pm | |
| “I feel like anyone with half a brain isn’t surprised. I have mixed emotions of Cyborg being caught cheating because I know everyone knew she was cheating and I wanted to make an example of her because you don’t need to take steroids to win. I think her getting caught is a great thing too. I don’t have the least bit respect for her because I always knew she was a cheater, and now everyone else knows too. If she ever comes back to fight again, she won’t be the same beast she was before. She might even try doing different things like HGH that are harder to get caught for. Who knows if Strikeforce even wants her back?” - “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey
Translation -I'm really glad she got caught before I got my career destroyed by her too lol | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:05 pm | |
| - MMAEYES wrote:
- “I feel like anyone with half a brain isn’t surprised. I have mixed emotions of Cyborg being caught cheating because I know everyone knew she was cheating and I wanted to make an example of her because you don’t need to take steroids to win. I think her getting caught is a great thing too. I don’t have the least bit respect for her because I always knew she was a cheater, and now everyone else knows too. If she ever comes back to fight again, she won’t be the same beast she was before. She might even try doing different things like HGH that are harder to get caught for. Who knows if Strikeforce even wants her back?”
- “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey
Translation -I'm really glad she got caught before I got my career destroyed by her too lol +1 lol | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:06 pm | |
| Can we file criminal charges for her endangering the life of those women? | |
| | | MMAEYES Black Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, FEDOR, NICK DIAZ Posts : 3973 Join date : 2009-08-13 Age : 42 Location : London,Ohio
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:10 pm | |
| Honestly if I was one of the fighters she lost too I'd be soo pissed the she didn't get caught before cause I mean seriously we all knew she was juicing. | |
| | | Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael, Sexyama, Condit, Hendricks, Cowboy, Struve Posts : 4356 Join date : 2009-07-17 Age : 54 Location : Montgomery, AL
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:13 pm | |
| I thought Evangelista was juicing her? Or was it the other way around? | |
| | | Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:14 pm | |
| - Andrew the Raider King wrote:
- I thought Evangelista was juicing her? Or was it the other way around?
Lol | |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Shogun, Fedor, Wand, Saku, Hendo, BJ, Bas, Cain, Mike Vallely Posts : 21274 Join date : 2009-08-04 Age : 104 Location : Fresyes, CA
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:27 pm | |
| - MMAEYES wrote:
- “I feel like anyone with half a brain isn’t surprised. I have mixed emotions of Cyborg being caught cheating because I know everyone knew she was cheating and I wanted to make an example of her because you don’t need to take steroids to win. I think her getting caught is a great thing too. I don’t have the least bit respect for her because I always knew she was a cheater, and now everyone else knows too. If she ever comes back to fight again, she won’t be the same beast she was before. She might even try doing different things like HGH that are harder to get caught for. Who knows if Strikeforce even wants her back?”
- “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey
Translation -I'm really glad she got caught before I got my career destroyed by her too lol = my first thumbs up of 2012 | |
| | | Andrew the Raider King Red Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Chael, Sexyama, Condit, Hendricks, Cowboy, Struve Posts : 4356 Join date : 2009-07-17 Age : 54 Location : Montgomery, AL
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:34 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- MMAEYES wrote:
- “I feel like anyone with half a brain isn’t surprised. I have mixed emotions of Cyborg being caught cheating because I know everyone knew she was cheating and I wanted to make an example of her because you don’t need to take steroids to win. I think her getting caught is a great thing too. I don’t have the least bit respect for her because I always knew she was a cheater, and now everyone else knows too. If she ever comes back to fight again, she won’t be the same beast she was before. She might even try doing different things like HGH that are harder to get caught for. Who knows if Strikeforce even wants her back?”
- “Rowdy” Ronda Rousey
Translation -I'm really glad she got caught before I got my career destroyed by her too lol = my first thumbs up of 2012
+1 | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:35 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- Can we file criminal charges for her endangering the life of those women?
LMAO, you got negged you fucking newb! | |
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:37 pm | |
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| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:37 pm | |
| - killerofchicken wrote:
- OU wrote:
- Can we file criminal charges for her endangering the life of those women?
LMAO, you got negged you fucking newb! Some people support the abuse of women. | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : Mauricio Shogun Rua, BJ Penn, AXE MURDERER,Fedor, CroCop, Vitor Belfort, JDS Posts : 16162 Join date : 2010-02-28 Age : 38 Location : Iowa
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:39 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- killerofchicken wrote:
- OU wrote:
- Can we file criminal charges for her endangering the life of those women?
LMAO, you got negged you fucking newb! Some people support the abuse of women. its probably wolf, that wife beater wearer... | |
| | | Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:39 pm | |
| I even have a witness as I was phoning to get an Indian delivered. |
| | | GDPofDRC Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Shogun, Fedor, Wand, Saku, Hendo, BJ, Bas, Cain, Mike Vallely Posts : 21274 Join date : 2009-08-04 Age : 104 Location : Fresyes, CA
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:41 pm | |
| Who negged me bro why you hating bro | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:45 pm | |
| - GDPofDRC wrote:
- Who negged me bro
why you hating bro Finally we get back to the good shit. | |
| | | Primetyme199 Brown Belt
Posts : 2916 Join date : 2009-07-30 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:43 pm | |
| - OU wrote:
- @BasRuttenMMA
Bas Rutten If Cyborg wants to clear her name, simple, send the drink to the athletic commission, let them test it. I just don't believe they put it in drinks to LOSE weight. If they DO put roids in, show the drink and her name is cleared. Its what I would do. Like I said before, they all say "I took something over the counter". What? Tell us what you took? Help your fellow fighters not to make the same mistake by accident, just saying Jan 10 via Twitter for BlackBerry®FavoriteRetweetReply This would be a simple and logical solution, so we know it will never happen. | |
| | | OU Administrator
Favorite Fighter(s) : Diaz Bros, Wandy, Ace, Hendo, JDS, Lima Bros,Uncle Creepy, long live Iceman Posts : 43280 Join date : 2009-07-15 Age : 38 Location : Lawton, Oklahoma
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:46 pm | |
| We know it won't happen because it is a lie. In other sports you have fighters hiding behind the unions. You can't do certain things because that will make some of your fellow players look bad. For example Barry Bonds while playing baseball was not allowed to take a drug test from some outside party just to prove his innocent. The MLBPA would not allow it. | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:30 pm | |
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| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
Posts : 7730 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:07 pm | |
| - KingsOwn19 wrote:
- captain organic wrote:
- freakzilla wrote:
- The steroids would have given her much more power in her punches which would have hurt Gina much more.
quicker more powerful punches. How could anyone even question that it would make a difference?
Sorry Kings evidence clearly shows roids give athletes a HUGE edge.
It is why they take them.
Seems ridiculous to discredit fights where she did not test postive. That is my problem with the steroids witch hunt all these years. I have never questioned that steroids give an athlete an edge. My problem is with how they are written off as being only good because of them afterwards and since they were caught once, they must have always used them. Now we are saying Cyborg was all force and no skill. I disagree with that, she is very skilled all around...she is the only complete fighter in WMMA disregarding her training.
Capt, you have spoken respectful of Cyborg as a fighter all up until today. Now we are taking the ignorant "just look at her" approach from fights from a couple years ago and acting like she is not good without steroids because she tested postive from her last fight which came off an 18 month layoff and she does look bigger now then she did in her first 2-3 SF fights, even bigger than the Cuddles fight. I thought so. If just looking at her is enough, why didnt you say it back then? if it's not enough, why is one bad test enough to assume they had always used steroids?
I never argued the edge...but you guys are now using the edge steroids have in analyzing the Cyborg-Carano fight from 2009 as if it's a given Cyborg was juicing when it can't be proven that Cyborg was juicing anymore than it can be proven that Gina Carano wasnt juicing. Where is the evidence in that? "Just look" is inadmissable whether you are talking about a male or female athlete and one positive test from a couple years later does not prove that she has been using all along..and i doubt Cyborg will come back significantly less bulky than she ever has been.
I gave Cyborg the benefit of the doubt back then. In this day and age, if your a sport fan, u have to hold your nose on some of these athletes. Well, with the positive test on Cyborg, Im done holding my nose. It was pretty obvious the whole time, now I'm holding it as fact. And like I said, it's even more bogus in the women's division. At least in the men's division obvious roiders run across other obvious roiders. | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:43 pm | |
| http://mmajunkie.com/news/26879/ask-the-fight-doc-what-do-you-make-of-cris-santos-failed-drug-test.mmaNow, to answer the question as honestly and directly as I can. While this is just my personal opinion, I have a hard time believing that this is the first time that the now-ex-Strikeforce champ has used performance-enhancing drugs. I do not believe for one moment that she didn't know what she was doing was prohibited (illegal in competition). She might not have personally thought it was wrong, but who cares what she thinks? Participants don't get to interpret the rules in order to serve their immediate interests. I believe her explanation of using a dietary supplement that unbeknownst to her contained the banned substance stanozolol (an anabolic steroid commonly known as Winstrol) is ludicrous. Why? Stanozolol is a favorite PED among female weight-restricted athletes for its purported abilities to:
Not retain fluid (as many anabolic steroids do)
Actually promote rapid water loss (cut weight/diuretic)
Increase lean muscle mass
Have fewer virilizing and masculinizing side-effects (those that create a manly appearance such as facial hair, square jaw, deep voice, etc.)
Sound like anyone we know? Stanozolol is rarely used by accident. It is chosen by many cheating athletes for exactly those reasons. Santos' actions – whether intentional or not – not only disgrace her as an elite athlete but potentially harm women's MMA as it struggles for traction and mainstream acceptance. Furthermore she only reinforces the misguided, xenophobic stereotype/misconception/rumor that PED use is rampant among Brazilian athletes and is a primary reason for their dominance in MMA. The effects of performance-enhancing drug use are potentially far worse in MMA than baseball. Illegally crushing little round balls for extra home runs is one thing, but illegally gaining a significant advantage to physically crush a human being is quite another. Dr. Johnny Benjamin is MMAjunkie.com's medical columnist and consultant and a noted combat-sports specialist. He is also a member of the Association of Boxing Commissions' MMA Medical Subcommittee. Dr. Benjamin writes an "Ask the Doc" column approximately every two weeks for MMAjunkie.com. To submit a question for a future column, email him at askthedoc [AT] mmajunkie.com, or share your questions and thoughts in the comments section below. You can find Dr. Benjamin online at www.drjohnnybenjamin.com, and you can read his other sports-related articles at blog.drjohnnybenjamin.com. | |
| | | captain organic Bronze Belt
Posts : 7730 Join date : 2009-07-15 Location : NJ
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:21 pm | |
| "Have fewer virilizing and masculinizing side-effects (those that create a manly appearance such as facial hair, square jaw, deep voice, etc.)"
She has obviously switched up as she has gotten older.
would like to see a pic that jaw when she was 13 or so. | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:04 pm | |
| http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/12/2701985/gina-carano-cyborg-santos-steroids-strikeforce-haywire-movieHere's what Gina told our own Tommy Myers in a recent conversation with MMAmania.com: "I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't hurt by the whole thing. That fight with her was definitely the biggest moment of my mixed martial arts (MMA) career and at that time I had people around me telling me she was on steroids and everything. But, if there was a chance that she wasn't, I never wanted to take anything away from her [win]. She is a wonderful athlete, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't sting a little. In fact, I could have gone the rest of my life without hearing that. But, at the same time, she's a human being and a phenomenal athlete, so maybe someone around her was telling her she needed to do that when she really didn't. Maybe it was someone around her telling her the wrong things, I don't know. I kind of feel bad for her. Like I said, I could have definitely gone without hearing that because it makes me think well, you know, she just got caught with it this time, but what about all the other times? It's a bummer. I do feel bad to even have to say that, but I have to be honest: It really stung. It was the biggest moment in my life at the time. Then again, everything happens for a reason. After that I got to go through this beautiful experience making 'Haywire,' but even still, it stings."
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| | | MMAEYES Black Belt
Favorite Fighter(s) : BJ PENN, FEDOR, NICK DIAZ Posts : 3973 Join date : 2009-08-13 Age : 42 Location : London,Ohio
| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:24 pm | |
| Sucks man cause Cyborg beat some of them chicks up real bad, and I'm sure that she was juicing the whole time it makes me feel bad for her opponents I don't know why anyone would feel bad for Cyborg | |
| | | OU Administrator
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:15 am | |
| http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/1/16/2712675/cris-cyborg-santos-strikeforce-appealing-suspension-april-6-hearing-likelySI.com's Loretta Hunt reported Monday night that Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos has begun the process of appealing her one year suspension from the California State Athletic Commission with CSAC Executive Officer George Dodd "likely" expecting an April 6 date to hear the appeal. The then- Strikeforce 145-pound women's champion was suspended on January 6th after her December 17th annihilation of Hiroko Yamanaka when a pre-fight urine sample tested positive for the synthetic anabolic steroid Stanozolol. Santos would have been eligible to apply for her license to be reinstated on December 17, 2012. Santos claimed that she had taken a supplement to assist with her weight cutting for the Yamanaka fight that turned out to be tainted. Soon after the suspension, Zuffa co-owner Dana White announced that Santos would be stripped of her title and that the future of the division within Strikeforce was in doubt. The 26-year-old had returned to action for the first time in 18 months against Yamanaka, a 16-second destruction that was ruled a no-contest following the suspension. She had compiled a 10-1 record to that point, winning the 145-pound gold in August 2009 with a first round TKO over Gina Carano with successive wins over Marloes Coenen and Jan Finney. | |
| | | killerofchicken Platinum Belt
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| Subject: Re: "Cyborg" Santos Tests Positive for Anabolic Steroids in California Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:19 am | |
| lol... just admit it and move on dumbass! | |
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