Fedor Crushes Ishii, Lesnar retires

that's 3 fights in a row that lesnar did pretty much the same thing after getting hurt...

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When the record books come to Brock Lesnar many will try to write that he was a fraud, a Bob Sapp or Kimbo Slice-esque special attraction who briefly captured the attention of the world before being exposed by better fighters.

It all looked very different in 2008 and 2009. Then a fresh Lesnar burst onto the MMA scene, mauling Mir before making a rookie mistake and then clearly defeating veteran Heath Herring and Hall of Famer Randy Couture in composed displays. Against both Herring and Couture he even showed signs of growing proficiency with his standup. The victory over Couture made him heavyweight champion and set him up for his rematch with Mir, where he destroyed his hated rival in one of the more brutal, one-sided beatings you’ll ever see. But that Lesnar would never fight again.

In Manchester, England on November 5th 2009 UFC President Dana President told a startled press conference that Brock Lesnar had been taken gravely ill and was fighting to save his career. Soon it would be revealed that Lesnar had suffered a crippling bout of diverticulitis, a disease that was literally eating away at his stomach. He narrowly avoided surgery but could not fully regain his former weight or strength. Bouts against Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez would see him struggle to impose himself physically on his opponents, a failure that exposed the technical limitations in his defensive technique. Only Carwin’s poor cardio would allow Lesnar to escape UFC 116 with his championship, a temporary stay of execution with Velasquez seizing the belt three months later.

Lesnar was due to face Junior Dos Santos for a chance for a quick return to title contention but again his illness derailed his plans. A fresh flare-up of his diverticulitis forced him to finally get an operation that would end the careers of most sportsmen, let alone those in as physical a sport as MMA. The toll the surgery took on Lesnar was downplayed by his enormous proportions when he emerged from deep seclusion in November, with fans and commentators relieved to see him back to his physical best.

But that clearly wasn’t the case. The Brock Lesnar who as an analyst was so quick to berate Velasquez for not rushing to get the takedown on Dos Santos, only half-heartedly tried one takedown against former K-1 Grand Prix Winner Alistair Overeem. The tentative tactics of the former NCAA Division I Champion were a clear sign that he knew his wrestling wasn’t where it once was. The brutal targeting of his surgically repaired stomach by Overeem must have only underlined to Lesnar that his time was over, a fact he acknowledge by publicly retiring immediately after the referee stopped the fight.

Without taking away anything from Overeem’s impressive performance, every MMA fan should recognized that it was not ‘The Demolition Man’ who demolished Lesnar’s career. No, that was done by diverticulitis. For the past two years Lesnar has bravely fought a losing battle with his own body, desperately trying to prolong a career that at one point promised so much. Who knows what he could have achieved if instead of dedicating all his energies to desperately trying to get healthy he was able to train like a normal fighter. If every waking thought wasn’t dedicated to defeating the disease inside him, maybe he could have continued his early progress in improving his striking and BJJ.

But let’s not solely focus on what Lesnar could have done, for he still managed to achieve things that are worthy of celebration. For anyone with only seven UFC fights to have faced three former world champions (one of those twice) and two undefeated prospects is incredible. More than that it is truly inspiring that a man who was financially set for life in the world of pro-wrestling had such a burning desire to compete that he left the safe world of Vince McMahon’s WWE to become the sportsman he was meant to be. It’s just a shame that by the time he found his true home inside the Octagon, the clock was ticking to his biological doomsday.

http://insidefights.com/2011/12/31/diverticulitis-not-alistair-overeem-ended-brock-lesnars-career/

Primetyme199 wrote:

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When the record books come to Brock Lesnar many will try to write that he was a fraud, a Bob Sapp or Kimbo Slice-esque special attraction who briefly captured the attention of the world before being exposed by better fighters.

It all looked very different in 2008 and 2009. Then a fresh Lesnar burst onto the MMA scene, mauling Mir before making a rookie mistake and then clearly defeating veteran Heath Herring and Hall of Famer Randy Couture in composed displays. Against both Herring and Couture he even showed signs of growing proficiency with his standup. The victory over Couture made him heavyweight champion and set him up for his rematch with Mir, where he destroyed his hated rival in one of the more brutal, one-sided beatings you’ll ever see. But that Lesnar would never fight again.

In Manchester, England on November 5th 2009 UFC President Dana President told a startled press conference that Brock Lesnar had been taken gravely ill and was fighting to save his career. Soon it would be revealed that Lesnar had suffered a crippling bout of diverticulitis, a disease that was literally eating away at his stomach. He narrowly avoided surgery but could not fully regain his former weight or strength. Bouts against Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez would see him struggle to impose himself physically on his opponents, a failure that exposed the technical limitations in his defensive technique. Only Carwin’s poor cardio would allow Lesnar to escape UFC 116 with his championship, a temporary stay of execution with Velasquez seizing the belt three months later.

Lesnar was due to face Junior Dos Santos for a chance for a quick return to title contention but again his illness derailed his plans. A fresh flare-up of his diverticulitis forced him to finally get an operation that would end the careers of most sportsmen, let alone those in as physical a sport as MMA. The toll the surgery took on Lesnar was downplayed by his enormous proportions when he emerged from deep seclusion in November, with fans and commentators relieved to see him back to his physical best.

But that clearly wasn’t the case. The Brock Lesnar who as an analyst was so quick to berate Velasquez for not rushing to get the takedown on Dos Santos, only half-heartedly tried one takedown against former K-1 Grand Prix Winner Alistair Overeem. The tentative tactics of the former NCAA Division I Champion were a clear sign that he knew his wrestling wasn’t where it once was. The brutal targeting of his surgically repaired stomach by Overeem must have only underlined to Lesnar that his time was over, a fact he acknowledge by publicly retiring immediately after the referee stopped the fight.

Without taking away anything from Overeem’s impressive performance, every MMA fan should recognized that it was not ‘The Demolition Man’ who demolished Lesnar’s career. No, that was done by diverticulitis. For the past two years Lesnar has bravely fought a losing battle with his own body, desperately trying to prolong a career that at one point promised so much. Who knows what he could have achieved if instead of dedicating all his energies to desperately trying to get healthy he was able to train like a normal fighter. If every waking thought wasn’t dedicated to defeating the disease inside him, maybe he could have continued his early progress in improving his striking and BJJ.

But let’s not solely focus on what Lesnar could have done, for he still managed to achieve things that are worthy of celebration. For anyone with only seven UFC fights to have faced three former world champions (one of those twice) and two undefeated prospects is incredible. More than that it is truly inspiring that a man who was financially set for life in the world of pro-wrestling had such a burning desire to compete that he left the safe world of Vince McMahon’s WWE to become the sportsman he was meant to be. It’s just a shame that by the time he found his true home inside the Octagon, the clock was ticking to his biological doomsday.

http://insidefights.com/2011/12/31/diverticulitis-not-alistair-overeem-ended-brock-lesnars-career/

I think this opinion is more easy fall back cop out than reality. Trying to keep the head above water.

Fedor actually looked great... considering he was fighting a scrub olympic gold medalist... who weight the same as he did.

As far as his close engagement scrambles with Ishii went, he looked alright never had bad momentum. Everything else look like it should of.

wow gdp, ur funny. Weak facts? Lol. Barnett talent? U mean in last night wrestlin match.lol his bigges wins he had to juice in order to compete to make up for talent. Gets busted and flees. Unlike lesnar prefers not to step up. Also why mention lesnar last 3 fights. Why not his last 5 wich he won 3 of them all against top 5. Wen u play it safe most of ur career u hardly get hurt, what matters is wen u step up and lesnar did and at time found success and at times didnt. In nogs biggest wins guy was dropped multiple times , wanna discredit him as well. How bout frankie who was treated like a rag doll and tossed around ,doin back flips and grabbing on to the fence just to survive in his second title defense. Wanna discredit him as well. Its clear ur just hating so no need to bother. Im not,even hating on barnett, im just defending lesnar but ur the one who thinks they are on the same catagory therefore i must bring up the reasons why they are not. Im done here. Not gonna bother posting to lesnar hate

killerofchicken wrote:

Fedor actually looked great... considering he was fighting a scrub olympic gold medalist... who weight the same as he did.

An olympic gold medalist that won't ever do anything in MMA

Primetyme199 wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

Fedor actually looked great... considering he was fighting a scrub olympic gold medalist... who weight the same as he did.

An olympic gold medalist that won't ever do anything in MMA

+1. Ishii is nothing

Brock was a dangerous HW with some physical attributes and a solid wrestling base. He was a great story for the UFC and he won and defended the HW title two times. We can focus on the astrixs all we want, but now that most of the ridiculous claims about his ability are a thing of the past we can give him his fair credit. Certainly he was credible as a fighter. Couture, Mir and Carwin are three very solid wins even if he was never close to the best UFC HW much less the best HW in the world.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Brock was a dangerous HW with some physical attributes and a solid wrestling base. He was a great story for the UFC and he won and defended the HW title two times. We can focus on the astrixs all we want, but now that most of the ridiculous claims about his ability are a thing of the past we can give him his fair credit. Certainly he was credible as a fighter. Couture, Mir and Carwin are three very solid wins even if he was never close to the best UFC HW much less the best HW in the world.

The only other thing I would add to this is he was great for making money for the UFC.

whilst not a fan of lesnar and some of the criticisms are valid, some of the criticisms are insane.

he beat some quality opponents in winning and defending the title and hung on against carwin in the face of a ferocious beating and won by submission. he lost the title to velasquez, whom i personally believe is the most complete HW in the world at the moment and has a good chance of winning the belt again.

granted, it was a meek finale the other night, but to say he wasn't legit is preposterous.

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Sound reasoning by Wolf. Not sure what all the hate is about. imo, some of you are still so afraid of the wwe tie to mma, that you will rally against anybody who did pro wrestling (enough to be popular in the US as a pro wrestler, unlike a Barnett or Sakuraba), despite having real martial arts credentials, as Lesnar did. The fact is, you all watched his fights, some of which were wins, some of which were losses, but all were against big names that were top in the division.

He had the luxury of being in the weakest division in MMA that had absolutely no depth when he arrived in the UFC.

Dana White after the fight:

“Here’s what Brock said to me, he said ‘I’ll tell you what after my surgery from diverticulitis, this last surgery I had, I have never felt so good in my life’. He said ‘I’ve had the best camp I’ve ever had, no injuries, I was in great shape, all the things that could go right, went right, that guy is just that much better than me and it’s time for me to retire’.”

Primetyme199 wrote:

Dana White after the fight:

“Here’s what Brock said to me, he said ‘I’ll tell you what after my surgery from diverticulitis, this last surgery I had, I have never felt so good in my life’. He said ‘I’ve had the best camp I’ve ever had, no injuries, I was in great shape, all the things that could go right, went right, that guy is just that much better than me and it’s time for me to retire’.”

I saw Dana on ESPN yesterday, that is where the quote it from. I have a hard time believing anything either of those guys say. So much of what they say is a front and just to build their brand. They rarely seem interested in being real.

OU wrote:

Primetyme199 wrote:

Dana White after the fight:

“Here’s what Brock said to me, he said ‘I’ll tell you what after my surgery from diverticulitis, this last surgery I had, I have never felt so good in my life’. He said ‘I’ve had the best camp I’ve ever had, no injuries, I was in great shape, all the things that could go right, went right, that guy is just that much better than me and it’s time for me to retire’.”

I saw Dana on ESPN yesterday, that is where the quote it from. I have a hard time believing anything either of those guys say. So much of what they say is a front and just to build their brand. They rarely seem interested in being real.

so you think Brock wasn't himself against Alistair?

killerofchicken wrote:

OU wrote:

Primetyme199 wrote:

Dana White after the fight:

“Here’s what Brock said to me, he said ‘I’ll tell you what after my surgery from diverticulitis, this last surgery I had, I have never felt so good in my life’. He said ‘I’ve had the best camp I’ve ever had, no injuries, I was in great shape, all the things that could go right, went right, that guy is just that much better than me and it’s time for me to retire’.”

I saw Dana on ESPN yesterday, that is where the quote it from. I have a hard time believing anything either of those guys say. So much of what they say is a front and just to build their brand. They rarely seem interested in being real.

so you think Brock wasn't himself against Alistair?

You expect me to buy the played out angle of "best shape of my life?" That is what I'm suppose to beleive? I never eat that weak sauce. I'm suppose to beleive that coming off his layoff and recovery he was the best Brock Lesnar ever that night? Now granted Brock on his best day still gets blasted that night. But you expect me to beleive that he was a better fighter that night then the night he fought Carwin? Based on his word alone? I'll pass, thank you.

you're downplaying this just to discredit Overeem you newb

killerofchicken wrote:

you're downplaying this just to discredit Overeem you newb

What? I'm calling Brock a liar and at the same time calling Dana a liar. What does Overrateem have to do with it? I'm saying exactly this. I have heard this weak shit before, I didn't buy it then, I'm especially not believing it when it was said by Brock and/or Dana. So you can pick out the underlined hate, but it's not toward Reem.

Lesnar is videoed saying as much if not more on the last episode of the Reem as well.

It may have been the surgery, or maybe Brock had the fight beat out of him in his previous fights, but for whatever reason we didn't see more takedown attempts from Brock.

Other then the lack of takedowns was there a clear difference between the Brock vs Reem and the Brock vs Mir?

captain organic wrote:

Other then the lack of takedowns was there a clear difference between the Brock vs Reem and the Brock vs Mir?

Yeah, he didn't get his shit pushed in by Mir.

Brock just took an Uberknee to the body and was finished. I think we all figured if Overeem landed any clean knees to Brock it was going to be a short night for Lesnar.

Brock's past sickness has nothing to do with him not being able to handle the knees to the body. Overeem's knees are the deadliest in MMA. Brock's time on the sideline may be the reason he was unable to evolve from the fighter he came in as because he didnt get as much time training these past couple years.