Who wins? Sonnen vs Stann

OK, but when we're not fucking Sonnen...it's pretty damn clear he'll destroy* Stann

*decision

captain organic wrote:

Stann all day



Why?


Cause fuck Sonnen, that's why.

Fuck Chael Sonnen.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

OK, but when we're not fucking Sonnen...it's pretty damn clear he'll destroy* Stann

*decision

I dunno Sonnen does not exactly have a plethora of big time wins on his record.

dude goes on a mini run in the UFC and he becomes the 2nd coming of GSP.

I agree, Didnt you read my original post on this topic where i pretty much said Sonnen is highly beatable...for guys who can expose his weakness to submissions. It's always been like that, even before this mini-run.

Stann has not the tools to expose Sonnen's weaknesses. I think the chances of a TKO are slim, and it would be a shock if Sonnen went a full 3 rounds where he didnt control the majority of the fight, which has also always been the case with Sonnen, even before the mini-run. He is a guy who was winning almost every fight up the point he lost because of his poor submission defense. With a few exceptions, but few and far between.


You don't need Sonnen's mini-run to make him an easy pick over Stann. Sonnen in 2006 is just as easy of a pick over somebody like Stann..if you actually knew who Sonnen was in 2006, he has more to go on then his current run in the UFC. He's pretty much the same guy, just a bit better at defending submissions but still not great.

13 consecutive rounds won vs Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Anderson. Pretty damn impressive

bobbitt15 wrote:

13 consecutive rounds won vs Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Anderson. Pretty damn impressive

4-4 in the UFC. Zero wins by finish, 4 losses by finish.


At 34 this guy's career is notches below Fitch, let alone GSP I don't see this or any at this level as a lock for Chael.

He's clearly better now than he was 6 years ago. And at 34 and being a wrestler that has avoided taking a lot of punishment over his career, he should still have quite a few years left

captain organic wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

13 consecutive rounds won vs Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Anderson. Pretty damn impressive

4-4 in the UFC. Zero wins by finish, 4 losses by finish.


At 34 this guy's career is notches below Fitch, let alone GSP I don't see this or any at this level as a lock for Chael.

Why are you forcing this silly Sonnen's career vs. GSP and now Fitch's career stuff? Notice that nobody debated it the first time you brought it up unprovoked? Bobbitt was just noting that his recent string of performances have been extremely impressive in response to your "mini-run" comment.

I don't know why you are using that nonsense to uncharacteristically ignore the matchup problems Sonnen provides for Brian Stann, and also ignoring the slim matchup problems Stann brings against Sonnen.

I'm not operating on a belief that Sonnen is the omnipotent MW who only Anderson Silva could beat only after he's been thrashed for 5 rounds. My opinion is based on the fact that Sonnen is incredibly difficult to finish via strikes...and has only been TKO'd twice(correcting my earlier post). Once via injury, the other time via cut. So technically, he has never been finished via strikes. He's lost one majority decision and i never saw that fight. Stann the puncher and a guy who gets by using his wrestlng as a base to keep fights standing facing a guy who has far superior wrestling and nobody(wrestlers included) have been able to keep upright and has an iron chin and never been finished by strikes...along with the fact that Stann's chances of submitting Sonnen arent great.

Yes, there are few locks but it's hard to think of any reason why Brian Stann will beat Chael Sonnen by just looking at the matchup....and "Chael Sonnen is NOT the second coming of GSP" is hardly an acceptable arguement for Team Stann. I get the whole Stann being highly likeable while Sonnen not very likeable, but don't forget you're supposed to be the guy that disregards personal feelings and looks at the fight. Stann would have to break a lot of trends to beat Chael Sonnen, which will be A) stuff Sonnen's takedown and keep it standing, B)outpoint Chael Sonnen, or C) TKO Chael Sonnen or D)show he Brian Stann has enough of a submission game to expose Sonnen's glaring weakness, it may be his weakness, but the days of non-submission grapplers tapping Sonnen are probably over.

Brian Stann via real merican hero. This has Sonnen being clobbered and KO'd in the first minute written all over it.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

13 consecutive rounds won vs Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Anderson. Pretty damn impressive

4-4 in the UFC. Zero wins by finish, 4 losses by finish.


At 34 this guy's career is notches below Fitch, let alone GSP I don't see this or any at this level as a lock for Chael.

Why are you forcing this silly Sonnen's career vs. GSP and now Fitch's career stuff? Notice that nobody debated it the first time you brought it up unprovoked? Bobbitt was just noting that his recent string of performances have been extremely impressive in response to your "mini-run" comment.

I don't know why you are using that nonsense to uncharacteristically ignore the matchup problems Sonnen provides for Brian Stann, and also ignoring the slim matchup problems Stann brings against Sonnen.

I'm not operating on a belief that Sonnen is the omnipotent MW who only Anderson Silva could beat only after he's been thrashed for 5 rounds. My opinion is based on the fact that Sonnen is incredibly difficult to finish via strikes...and has only been TKO'd twice(correcting my earlier post). Once via injury, the other time via cut. So technically, he has never been finished via strikes. He's lost one majority decision and i never saw that fight. Stann the puncher and a guy who gets by using his wrestlng as a base to keep fights standing facing a guy who has far superior wrestling and nobody(wrestlers included) have been able to keep upright and has an iron chin and never been finished by strikes...along with the fact that Stann's chances of submitting Sonnen arent great.

Yes, there are few locks but it's hard to think of any reason why Brian Stann will beat Chael Sonnen by just looking at the matchup....and "Chael Sonnen is NOT the second coming of GSP" is hardly an acceptable arguement for Team Stann. I get the whole Stann being highly likeable while Sonnen not very likeable, but don't forget you're supposed to be the guy that disregards personal feelings and looks at the fight. Stann would have to break a lot of trends to beat Chael Sonnen, which will be A) stuff Sonnen's takedown and keep it standing, B)outpoint Chael Sonnen, or C) TKO Chael Sonnen or D)show he Brian Stann has enough of a submission game to expose Sonnen's glaring weakness, it may be his weakness, but the days of non-submission grapplers tapping Sonnen are probably over.

The GSP and Fitch comparisons are based on the fact that Sonnen, like those 2, wins fights via wrestling, that's his bread and butter much as it if for those 2(granted GSP has a complete game but his strength is his wrestling). All 3 of these guys also earn their W's for the most part via decision.

It also comes from the perception that Sonnen is some unstoppable force. It's too the point where it's a given that Sonnen, like Fitch and GSP often do, will wrestle his way to victory. So there are numerous reasons for the comparison.

However, Fitch and GSP are on incredible rolls in the UFC, Sonnen is 4-4 overall 3-2 in his most recent stint.

Sure Sonnen brings a wrestling edge into this fight, but this guy is no lock imo. Again he is 4-4 in the UFC, he is beatable. Nate almost pulled off a late fight sub, so why can't Stann?


And while I do disregard the supposed character issues of exciting fighters, Im not as forgiving for boring ass fighters like Sonnen. Not to mention this guy is a criminal, roid user, and easily the biggest trash talker in the sport. A boring fighter with a big mouth? fuck chael.

captain organic wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

13 consecutive rounds won vs Miller, Okami, Marquardt, and Anderson. Pretty damn impressive

4-4 in the UFC. Zero wins by finish, 4 losses by finish.


At 34 this guy's career is notches below Fitch, let alone GSP I don't see this or any at this level as a lock for Chael.

Why are you forcing this silly Sonnen's career vs. GSP and now Fitch's career stuff? Notice that nobody debated it the first time you brought it up unprovoked? Bobbitt was just noting that his recent string of performances have been extremely impressive in response to your "mini-run" comment.

I don't know why you are using that nonsense to uncharacteristically ignore the matchup problems Sonnen provides for Brian Stann, and also ignoring the slim matchup problems Stann brings against Sonnen.

I'm not operating on a belief that Sonnen is the omnipotent MW who only Anderson Silva could beat only after he's been thrashed for 5 rounds. My opinion is based on the fact that Sonnen is incredibly difficult to finish via strikes...and has only been TKO'd twice(correcting my earlier post). Once via injury, the other time via cut. So technically, he has never been finished via strikes. He's lost one majority decision and i never saw that fight. Stann the puncher and a guy who gets by using his wrestlng as a base to keep fights standing facing a guy who has far superior wrestling and nobody(wrestlers included) have been able to keep upright and has an iron chin and never been finished by strikes...along with the fact that Stann's chances of submitting Sonnen arent great.

Yes, there are few locks but it's hard to think of any reason why Brian Stann will beat Chael Sonnen by just looking at the matchup....and "Chael Sonnen is NOT the second coming of GSP" is hardly an acceptable arguement for Team Stann. I get the whole Stann being highly likeable while Sonnen not very likeable, but don't forget you're supposed to be the guy that disregards personal feelings and looks at the fight. Stann would have to break a lot of trends to beat Chael Sonnen, which will be A) stuff Sonnen's takedown and keep it standing, B)outpoint Chael Sonnen, or C) TKO Chael Sonnen or D)show he Brian Stann has enough of a submission game to expose Sonnen's glaring weakness, it may be his weakness, but the days of non-submission grapplers tapping Sonnen are probably over.

The GSP and Fitch comparisons are based on the fact that Sonnen, like those 2, wins fights via wrestling, that's his bread and butter much as it if for those 2(granted GSP has a complete game but his strength is his wrestling). All 3 of these guys also earn their W's for the most part via decision.

It also comes from the perception that Sonnen is some unstoppable force. It's too the point where it's a given that Sonnen, like Fitch and GSP often do, will wrestle his way to victory. So there are numerous reasons for the comparison.

However, Fitch and GSP are on incredible rolls in the UFC, Sonnen is 4-4 overall 3-2 in his most recent stint.

Sure Sonnen brings a wrestling edge into this fight, but this guy is no lock imo. Again he is 4-4 in the UFC, he is beatable. Nate almost pulled off a late fight sub, so why can't Stann?


And while I do disregard the supposed character issues of exciting fighters, Im not as forgiving for boring ass fighters like Sonnen. Not to mention this guy is a criminal, roid user, and easily the biggest trash talker in the sport. A boring fighter with a big mouth? fuck chael.

So just because a BJJ black belt of many years and top ranking MW of many years n Nate Marquardt ALMOST pulled off the sub, Brian Stann who has no such ability that is known to any of us should be able to?

Also, you started making the GSP/Fitch crap in response to my first post in this thread when i directly stated in the post that Sonnen is beatable by plenty of MW's. You making it seem like i was placing Sonnen on this high pedestal was definitely out of left field and made no sense.

I think Brian Stann is a middle of the pack fighter at best. I don''t think saying Chael Sonnen is a easy favorite in this fight is placing him as some super stud. I view Sonnen over Stann just like Sonnen over Bryan the beast Baker. It's a horrible matchup...and yes, it will be boring, but it will be a boring 30-27 for Sonnen.

Man, a guy going for the record of 3 consecutive FOTN awards is boring?

Well, hard to imagine Sonnen-Silva winning FOTN if not for Spider locking in the triangle, it was pretty much won on that moment....but if that didnt happen, the fight would not have got the bonus but Sonnen would be the champion.

Sonnen-Marquardt was very entertaining, but Marquardt was able to do a lot of damage in that fight and threaten the finish. That was a dog fight.

Sonnen-Okami was very not entertaining.

Don't see Sonnen-Stann winning FOTN.

It was mostly tongue in cheek. I do enjoy watching him fight though. He's pretty active on top and there's always an element of suspense of him getting caught in something present. Plus, I'm hoping after all the time off his boxing is even better than it was before. His standup was really improving there for a while. He gave Okami a boxing lesson and did some decent work against Anderson

bobbitt15 wrote:

Man, a guy going for the record of 3 consecutive FOTN awards is boring?

hahah awesome gif.

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/10/5/2471338/dana-white-confirms-chael-sonnen-vs-brian-stann-winner-to-receive
First there were rumblings, then there were rumors, then "sources close to the situation," and now the confirmation -- Chael Sonnen vs. Brian Stann at UFC 136 on Oct. 8 in Houston, Texas, is a number one middleweight contender fight.

This according to UFC President Dana White, who today confirmed at the "Edgar vs. Maynard 3" pre-fight press conference (video here, updates here) that a 185-pound title shot is awaiting the winner of this Saturday night's bout.

When Stann dropped to 185 he became a much better fighter. Sonnen may very well win but he isnt a pound for pound champ like some of you guys make him out to be. Babalu vs Sonnen should remind you of that........yes yes yes I know it was a while ago but besides his wresteling has he really improved his standup or sub defense? He's a great matchup against Anderson, lets not make him a world beater though.

corydd7 wrote:

When Stann dropped to 185 he became a much better fighter. Sonnen may very well win but he isnt a pound for pound champ like some of you guys make him out to be. Babalu vs Sonnen should remind you of that........yes yes yes I know it was a while ago but besides his wresteling has he really improved his standup or sub defense? He's a great matchup against Anderson, lets not make him a world beater though.

He hasn't gotten any better really but to his credit his chin hasn't been broken either. I understand why some people favor him over a standup fighter since he has showed the ability to take shots on the chin. But he has been hurt a few times, he was rocked pretty good vs Marquardt in that fight but he has shown the ability to recover and execute his game plan.

Yes, he has really improved his standup. He has some of the most underrated standup in MMA. Great head movement and makes guys totally uncomfortable with the pace he pushes

Well I guess here is a conflicting report.
http://mmajunkie.com/news/25546/sonnen-stann-winner-not-guaranteed-ufc-title-shot-henderson-could-make-bid-with-win.mma
However, the winner won't necessarily book a future date with 185-pound kingpin Anderson Silva (31-4 MMA, 14-0 UFC).

Recent Strikeforce import Dan Henderson (28-8 MMA, 5-2 UFC) meets
Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (20-5 MMA, 4-3 UFC) in November, and UFC president
Dana White said a win could rush him to the front of the line.

"Should Dan win, he's definitely one of the guys that could go take that
fight," White said today following a UFC 136 pre-event press
conference.

The move would seem a slight departure from White's August claims that the winner of the Sonnen-Stann matchup "should be"
in line to meet Silva. But White said that his position hasn't
necessarily changed. There are just more options available with
Henderson's arrival.

"I'm not even thinking about [Silva's next opponent] yet," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "We'll figure it out after. But I still feel that way."

AKA, if Chael wins its definitely Sonnen-Anderson II but Dan could possibly leap Stann

bobbitt15 wrote:

AKA, if Chael wins its definitely Sonnen-Anderson II but Dan could possibly leap Stann

Eh, it's ALMOST that IMO. But the door is open for a Hendo rematch over the Sonnen rematch.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Yes, he has really improved his standup. He has some of the most underrated standup in MMA. Great head movement and makes guys totally uncomfortable with the pace he pushes

WOW most underrated in MMA? Couldnt disagree more. He is very robotic with his punches, he also has no kicks but yes his head movement is very good. Like OU said his chin is amazing but they all break at some point. I dont think Stann will KO Sonnen (who i do like even though it must not seem like it) but if Stann can keep it standing for most of the fight, he has much quicker and powerfull punches and kicks.

He has really good boxing technique. He actually throws a lot of kicks too, depending on the matchup but they are more of a distraction than actually having intent to do damage

Yeah Sonnen's striking offense is not underrated IMO, the Spider fight is a bit misleading. His overall striking defense though could be a bit underrated.