Brock would have had zero chance to beat Dos Santos

None. Holy shit. Dude's wrestling questions are answered. Can he out wrestle Cain? Maybe not, but he certainly isn't going to be dominated.

Answered no wrestling questions. Carwin looked weak and awful in wrestling. Cain and Brock would get more takedowns for sure. Brock would've had JDS on his back in less than 20 seconds.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

None. Holy shit. Dude's wrestling questions are answered. Can he out wrestle Cain? Maybe not, but he certainly isn't going to be dominated.

Only difference may have been Brock is far more explosive on TD attempts than Carwin. Overall u are proabably right though brock would have eaten that jab all night the same way Carwin did.

freakzilla wrote:

Answered no wrestling questions. Carwin looked weak and awful in wrestling. Cain and Brock would get more takedowns for sure. Brock would've had JDS on his back in less than 20 seconds.

Maybe but could he have kept him down?

Brock is only explosive on takedowns against guys who are not explosive athletes. Mir, Herring. Dos Santos would pop right back up even if he did get taken down and only those who are clinging to the mythology never demonstrated once in the cage can truly argue otherwise.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Brock is only explosive on takedowns against guys who are not explosive athletes. Mir, Herring. Dos Santos would pop right back up even if he did get taken down and only those who are clinging to the mythology never demonstrated once in the cage can truly argue otherwise.

Brock took Cain down rather easily also. H made a mistake trying to get position or maybe that fight is different. Cain was able to get back to his feet and of course brock was no match there. I think JDS would have beaten any1 in the UFC last night with the way his standup looked even Cain.

He didn't keep him down and barely got him down, and did no damage. He couldn't get Couture or Carwin down either. Athletic guys with takedown D beat him everytime provided they don't have a 45 year old chin.

Brock never beats JDS. Brock was never close to the best MMA or UFC HW. His number 1 ranking was a fiction.

I dont think anyone is or would say Brock would have beat JDS last night. I think most are saying Brock would have made it a better fight. Carwin looked like a deer in the head lights from jump.

what does brock look like when hit?


Real talk - don't know if Brock would beat Jon Olav Enimo

i agree wolf, Brock would have gotten killed

Wolfgangsta wrote:

what does brock look like when hit?


Real talk - don't know if Brock would beat Jon Olav Enimo

JerseyStyle wrote:

I dont think anyone is or would say Brock would have beat JDS last night. I think most are saying Brock would have made it a better fight. Carwin looked like a deer in the head lights from jump.

+1
i wouldnt pick anybody against jds unless its cain. brock would of lost to jds and gotten finished by the second, difference would of been he would of kept driving for the takedown and clinch trying to be competative. carwin tried to stand there with a guy with better hands and paid for it.

Brock wouldn't get dude down guys or keep him down if he did. No way.

Be real Wolf as much as u hate brock he has had a nice career so far and is no where near as terrible as u wish he was.

he has had an amazing career for a guy who was never once close to being the best in reality and who fights at HW but cant take a solid punch.

Any HW gets hit solid the way he did by Cain or Carwin probably drops them also.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

He didn't keep him down and barely got him down, and did no damage. He couldn't get Couture or Carwin down either. Athletic guys with takedown D beat him everytime provided they don't have a 45 year old chin.

Brock never beats JDS. Brock was never close to the best MMA or UFC HW. His number 1 ranking was a fiction.

Cain, Carwin and Couture all have a wrestling background. Carwin looked different yesterday than he has before. I think Cage rust and injury played a big part.

19 more fts for the heat, dirk is 4-20 and the mavs are still winning by 8. They better close it out

Lol wrong thread!!!
When will u Ppl learn that Brock was Overrated

I think Carwin last night would of done to Cain about as much as Lesnar did, maybe get him down once or twice but never keep him there and don't go back to it, get beat. That could be flipped in the future. Early on I don't think Cain will be able to keep Dos Santos down unless he clips him or catches him in a bad position. I do think Cain will have Jr backing up on the feet but am hoping he isn't too relentless and open like he was against Kongo. But I could see Cain trading with JDS and he will go for, not resort to, takedowns, the kind Jr hasn't encountered and no one has really been able to do much about. If Santos gives away too much on the ground Cain can end it.

I see Carwin landing on Cain much easier than he did Dos Santos. Then again Dos Santos was much easier to hit in other fights.

Carwin's wrestling looked horrible last night. Why he was shooting high crotches is beyond me. He is a freaking heavyweight. Thats where Brock would have differed from Carwin. Brock would have attacked JDS's hips with doubles and put him on the ground. Now, with that said, if JDS could get up the same way Cain did against Brock, I see JDS ultimately ko'ing or tko'ing Brock. However, Carwin's takedown strategy was just bad. I think Cain will beat JDS though. I think Cain's striking can definitely hang with JDS and as a lighter heavyweight and as a heavyweight wrestler who wrestles like a a lighter guy, I don't think JDS's takedown defense will be as effective.

Thanks Jimbo for backing what I've been saying all along. Carwin's wrestling looked slow and week. JDS wouldn't have been able to stop Brock I believe.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Brock is only explosive on takedowns against guys who are not explosive athletes. Mir, Herring. Dos Santos would pop right back up even if he did get taken down and only those who are clinging to the mythology never demonstrated once in the cage can truly argue otherwise.

Brock would maul JDS for the first round imo when it comes to wrestling vs JDS. He is twice the wrestler we saw against JDS at 130. JDS wouldn't tire as fast and he would start getting up from and stuffing td's from Brock after the first round. Carwin 2.0 is nothing near the OG Carwin. You know that Wolf.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Brock is only explosive on takedowns against guys who are not explosive athletes. Mir, Herring. Dos Santos would pop right back up even if he did get taken down and only those who are clinging to the mythology never demonstrated once in the cage can truly argue otherwise.

Brock would maul JDS for the first round imo when it comes to wrestling vs JDS. He is twice the wrestler we saw against JDS at 130. JDS wouldn't tire as fast and he would start getting up from and stuffing td's from Brock after the first round. Carwin 2.0 is nothing near the OG Carwin. You know that Wolf.

I would love to see this fight. The beating Brock would take would send him running to Wrestlemania.