Question bout Brock

captain organic wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Mir gets credit for that win because of the footwork he used. His combos also looked a lot more crisp. Mir has a lot of flaws in his game and we've both criticized him for a variety of reasons but his striking is no longer one of them.

Are you talking about his lack of toughness and inability to wrestle? I'd hardly call those flaws.

why wouldn't u call those flaws?

Sarcasm.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Frank Mir is tough. He takes a lot of beatings and never gives up. His biggest weakness is wrestling. If he had Cain's wrestling he'd be top 3 heavyweight easily.

When does this happen?

chorky777 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Mir gets credit for that win because of the footwork he used. His combos also looked a lot more crisp. Mir has a lot of flaws in his game and we've both criticized him for a variety of reasons but his striking is no longer one of them.

Are you talking about his lack of toughness and inability to wrestle? I'd hardly call those flaws.

why wouldn't u call those flaws?

Sarcasm.

ha ha. Hard to tell on this board sometimes.

chorky777 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Frank Mir is tough. He takes a lot of beatings and never gives up. His biggest weakness is wrestling. If he had Cain's wrestling he'd be top 3 heavyweight easily.

When does this happen?

coming back form his bike accident top even fight. coming back from his vera lost to go on to beat brock and nog. coming back from his brock lost to easily beat a gate keeper like kongo in the stand up. coming back from a beating from carwin to ko the beat and ko a fromer k-1 striker in mma in cro cop when they were both at the same point in their careers.

You can't question Mir's heart. He's been beat up twice by Brock and once by Shane and he would still fight them tomorrow.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

You can't question Mir's heart. He's been beat up twice by Brock and once by Shane and he would still fight them tomorrow.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

LudoCain wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

You can't question Mir's heart. He's been beat up twice by Brock and once by Shane and he would still fight them tomorrow.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

LudoCain wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

You can't question Mir's heart. He's been beat up twice by Brock and once by Shane and he would still fight them tomorrow.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.

That doesn't even make any sense. You're saying he gets lucky. What does him not being afraid to fight anybody even if he knows he's going to take a beating have to do with luck?

I'm saying the reason he would fight them tomorrow is because eventually he's got to win again, the odds that he loses every time are too high to be believable with his skillset. His knack for submissions makes him a live dog in either fight for the same reason. Not to mention he has nothing to lose in fighting either guy tomorrow.

He would lose the next 100 times against Brock and Carwin.

Remember what I said about blind squirrels?

Doesn't apply here. Mir's wrestling is that awful.

Nevermind.

I don't know that Mir would lose to Brock in a third fight. I would pick Brock but if Mir pulled it out it wouldn't be that shocking of an upset.

throwdownfight1 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Frank Mir is tough. He takes a lot of beatings and never gives up. His biggest weakness is wrestling. If he had Cain's wrestling he'd be top 3 heavyweight easily.

When does this happen?

coming back form his bike accident top even fight. coming back from his vera lost to go on to beat brock and nog. coming back from his brock lost to easily beat a gate keeper like kongo in the stand up. coming back from a beating from carwin to ko the beat and ko a fromer k-1 striker in mma in cro cop when they were both at the same point in their careers.

Yeah, but he gives up in the fights themselves. That's what I thought you were talking about. He's the flakiest fighter in the UFC. If you hit him hard, he's done. He just covers up and waits for the referee to save him. And this is coming from a Frank Mir fan. I love the skillset he brings to his fights, and I love how he sells his fights, but the guy just can't take a hit. To call him tough because he's willing to get in the cage is just silly. What he does once he's in there is about the least tough thing you can do. He's a frontrunner in the worst way.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't know that Mir would lose to Brock in a third fight. I would pick Brock but if Mir pulled it out it wouldn't be that shocking of an upset.

Yeah Brock would probably lose to Kongo, Mitrione, and even Kimbo would be 50/50

LA wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I don't know that Mir would lose to Brock in a third fight. I would pick Brock but if Mir pulled it out it wouldn't be that shocking of an upset.

Yeah Brock would probably lose to Kongo, Mitrione, and even Kimbo would be 50/50

If Kongo hit Brock like he hit Cain what happens I wonder?

He'd get taken down

Would he though? Lesnar has never driven through a punch, he always becomes defensive.

He gets hits then trys for the takedown, he's doing in ur sig

He gets hit on the takedown attempt and as he absorbs the impact he releases the attempted and stumbles all over the place as he tries to flee in terror.

Dude you are delusional, Cain hits him twice with short shots, Brock goes for the takedown, Brock goes for the takedown, it doesn't happen, then is off balance, trips and rolls to recover.

He ducks under an overhand right that doesn't land looking for the takedown and eats kind of an uppercut as he comes in for the takedown, releases the attempt and falls all over the place doing the airplane.

Why is LA acting like Mir beating Brock is eye roll worthy. Dude already beat him, and now Brock has to deal with getting back in the cage after getting his ass handed to him. Much tougher men then he have had a hard time dealing with that.

LA still having a hard time rationalizing how someone with that jaw line and shoulder structure isn't a toughguy.