Question bout Brock

Wolfgangsta wrote:

CC wasn't himself either, but that kick ended CC's competitive career. Nog had both a blown knee and a staph infection when he fought Mir so he may or may not have been shot but either way he was not in fighting shape.

cc was coming off the grand prix winner 6 months prior. he was in full prime. nog might of not been in shape but he looked like the same nog that had gotten a beat down from timmy months prior when he won the title and like the nog that was getting a beat down by cro cop back in pride. he didnt look any different from those wins to his lost against mir in the stand up. the difference was mirs ground compared to timmys and cro cops were he didnt allow himself to get subbed the way they did.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Freak is right when it comes to LA, but good point bobbitt.

Not at all

LA wrote:

Instead of saying Fedor was dumb, some have to overrate and jump on Werdum's bandwagon.

So Werdum, who has a host of notable wins on his record, gets no credit 4 beating the #1 ranked hwy in the world? And we are overrating him by moving him up the ranks?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I wasn't talking about hand speed I was talking about cage speed and as we saw from the Cain fight Brock can run pretty quick

LOL, when said that Cain had the spped and quickness advantages you were insistent Brock does then used Rogan saying he's the fastest HW in MMA and moves like a MW as your argument, also what does his initial run 2 seconds into the fight show?

And LOL at your sig, I can have some fun if you want to play games....

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

CC wasn't himself either, but that kick ended CC's competitive career. Nog had both a blown knee and a staph infection when he fought Mir so he may or may not have been shot but either way he was not in fighting shape.

cc was coming off the grand prix winner 6 months prior. he was in full prime. nog might of not been in shape but he looked like the same nog that had gotten a beat down from timmy months prior when he won the title and like the nog that was getting a beat down by cro cop back in pride. he didnt look any different from those wins to his lost against mir in the stand up. the difference was mirs ground compared to timmys and cro cops were he didnt allow himself to get subbed the way they did.

Nog looked dead from the second he stepped into the ring. The effects of the staph were brutally obvious.

For the record I'd take Randy's strategic approach over Werdum, not like Randy's gonna get KO'd standing and very few guys get Randy down.

Mir erdum could be a very close fight where even if Werdum has the BBJ edge their skills cancell out and it becomes a standup fight, I'd take Mir their and I hate the guy.

I think some have to stop making excuses for Nog and CC in the UFC, if you can make excuses, so can people on the other side of the argument.

Neither fight gets stopped in Pride when it did. Nog was back sitting up almost instantly. In Japan they'd have let that go on for at least a few more blows. Mir bout never gets stopped.

captain organic wrote:

LA wrote:

Instead of saying Fedor was dumb, some have to overrate and jump on Werdum's bandwagon.

So Werdum, who has a host of notable wins on his record, gets no credit 4 beating the #1 ranked hwy in the world? And we are overrating him by moving him up the ranks?

No, he's trash because he was KO'd by the best striker in the UFC remember?

captain organic wrote:

LA wrote:

Instead of saying Fedor was dumb, some have to overrate and jump on Werdum's bandwagon.

So Werdum, who has a host of notable wins on his record, gets no credit 4 beating the #1 ranked hwy in the world? And we are overrating him by moving him up the ranks?

It's more like looking at the fight and understanding what happened, Fedor basically put himself in that triangle/armbar.

So Mir gets no credit for KOing Nog?

So Brock gets no credit for any of his wins............

Mir gets credit for that win because of the footwork he used. His combos also looked a lot more crisp. Mir has a lot of flaws in his game and we've both criticized him for a variety of reasons but his striking is no longer one of them.

It was more so saying you can't have it both ways.

captain organic wrote:

throwdownfight1 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

CC wasn't himself either, but that kick ended CC's competitive career. Nog had both a blown knee and a staph infection when he fought Mir so he may or may not have been shot but either way he was not in fighting shape.

cc was coming off the grand prix winner 6 months prior. he was in full prime. nog might of not been in shape but he looked like the same nog that had gotten a beat down from timmy months prior when he won the title and like the nog that was getting a beat down by cro cop back in pride. he didnt look any different from those wins to his lost against mir in the stand up. the difference was mirs ground compared to timmys and cro cops were he didnt allow himself to get subbed the way they did.

Nog looked dead from the second he stepped into the ring. The effects of the staph were brutally obvious.

nog also looked out of it against timmy when he had won the title months earlier. he took a beating for 2 rounds from the openin bell and got dropped several times too . did he have staph then too. also in pride when he would get rocked he looked out of it. heck scared sometimes even when cro cop hit him. was it staph. i did see a gamed eager nog fight against randy and cain however by then people say that wasnt the same nog as before

bobbitt15 wrote:

Freak, how long are you going to keep up this nonsense of claiming anyone that disagrees with you thinks everyone in the UFC is better than every other org? Its been your calling card for like a week now and its getting pretty annoying. Need I remind you that you had to be beat over the head for like 3 pages to add some Bellator and SF fights to the GOR? And if I remember correctly on your last divisional rankings you had by far the fewest amount of non-UFC fighters ranked

I've only said that to LA only not everyone. Also I could give 2 shits if it's annoying you or not.

Dana has said that in his opinion Big Nog is the greatest heavyweight fighter ever(an obvious shot at Fedor I think). Those that deny his greatness though must not have watched Pride or must have been too young to appreciate it.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Mir gets credit for that win because of the footwork he used. His combos also looked a lot more crisp. Mir has a lot of flaws in his game and we've both criticized him for a variety of reasons but his striking is no longer one of them.

Are you talking about his lack of toughness and inability to wrestle? I'd hardly call those flaws.

chorky777 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Mir gets credit for that win because of the footwork he used. His combos also looked a lot more crisp. Mir has a lot of flaws in his game and we've both criticized him for a variety of reasons but his striking is no longer one of them.

Are you talking about his lack of toughness and inability to wrestle? I'd hardly call those flaws.

why wouldn't u call those flaws?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Freak, how long are you going to keep up this nonsense of claiming anyone that disagrees with you thinks everyone in the UFC is better than every other org? Its been your calling card for like a week now and its getting pretty annoying. Need I remind you that you had to be beat over the head for like 3 pages to add some Bellator and SF fights to the GOR? And if I remember correctly on your last divisional rankings you had by far the fewest amount of non-UFC fighters ranked

I've only said that to LA only not everyone. Also I could give 2 shits if it's annoying you or not.

Cool story bro

Look. you got nuthuggers everywhere. On this formu, we actually have mrons who rate Werdum the number# 1 HW in the world, just so they can slide the greatest HW with love handles of all time number 2. To many people go with emotion over logic. Brock is force to be reckoned with and had his knee connected, this might be a moot discussion, other than to say. Lover and haters on both sides. I am fairly neutral, but agree with LA, I think Fedor goes down and gets fucked up by Brock.

Andrew, where you been buddy? You're hardly here anymore. If you don't like the sig you can take it off as it's been a week.

Dude, I have a family. I have been cooking food all day today. 5 Boston butts, 2 slabs of ribs and a turkey, which I cooked everything on my smoker!

Nice, Your wife must be happy you help out. How are your steaks?

Frank Mir is tough. He takes a lot of beatings and never gives up. His biggest weakness is wrestling. If he had Cain's wrestling he'd be top 3 heavyweight easily.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Look. you got nuthuggers everywhere. On this formu, we actually have mrons who rate Werdum the number# 1 HW in the world, just so they can slide the greatest HW with love handles of all time number 2. To many people go with emotion over logic. Brock is force to be reckoned with and had his knee connected, this might be a moot discussion, other than to say. Lover and haters on both sides. I am fairly neutral, but agree with LA, I think Fedor goes down and gets fucked up by Brock.

Fairly neutral? gtfo.

and give me a break about some hypothetical knee in a fight in which Brock got his ass handed to him.

andrews been busy working the zuffa forum pr circuit on forums that don't know as much about the WEC.