Jacare would 'handle' Anderson Silva

Silva should feel really lucky he is in the same camp as Jacare because if they ever fought Jacare would just run through him.




On top of being an amazing athletic specimen and having the best BJJ in current MMA, he is finally becoming a complete fighter. He ran a boxing clinic against the Law and looked like Thomas Hearns with that dominate performance. He then went on to put good old Brazilian ass whipping on Tim Kennedy and Joey Villaseñor. The guy is starting to become a phenom. With his new found striking, unbelievable jits, and having the quickest shot in MMA I really don't see anyone beating him. If Jacare and Anderson ever agreed to fight in would be unbelievable one sided affair.


If Anderson could not even defend submissions from the likes of Ryo Chonan and Daiju Takase how on earth would he defend against Jacare? Silva got mounted and looked like an amateur against Travis Lutter of all people, he should be grateful he got that lucky triangle. With Jacare's new found striking it is not even definite that Anderson would beat him on the feet. He showed to us in the Lindland fight that he has quicker hands and better leg kicks than Anderson. I think it's safe to say that Anderson's fans should be thanking god that Jacare is in Black House.

Is there ever a real reason to say jits? I don't think so.

But seriously, handle Anderson? I don't think so. Silva would dominate him standing. Jacare has a great ground game but Anderson's ground game is underrated by some.

Bigs03 wrote:

Is there ever a real reason to say jits? I don't think so.

But seriously, handle Anderson? I don't think so. Silva would dominate him standing. Jacare has a great ground game but Anderson's ground game is underrated by some.

Jacare BBJ is light years ahead of Silva's......light years. Jacare is the best P4P grapples in the world. You don't see Anderson in the ADCC finals every year. Come on now you are fooling yourself if you actually believe Anderson would beat Jacare. He would be taken down and subbed in a blink of an eye.

Jacare would own Silva on he ground period! He is becoming a better striker, but I don't think he can stand with Silva. I would love to see this fight, but he needs to fight Mayhem first!

Bigs03 wrote:

Is there ever a real reason to say jits? I don't think so.

But seriously, handle Anderson? I don't think so. Silva would dominate him standing. Jacare has a great ground game but Anderson's ground game is underrated by some.

Andersons ground game may be underrated, but he looked awfully susceptible in the wrestling dept vs Chael. Jacare has shown some pretty good wrestling of late. Enough to keep silva on his back? I dunno, but I'm pretty confident Jacare would not be subbed by Anderson.

And Anderson's standup has looked a little shakey of late. Age? Maybe. Certainly a prime Silva has a big edge in the striking dept, but is this still prime Silva? Strikers have not been known to have the longevity of wrestlers.

Certainly Jacare is a far more dangerous opponent then Maia(or Thales, or Cote).

man wa yto start with a bold statement

captain organic wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Is there ever a real reason to say jits? I don't think so.

But seriously, handle Anderson? I don't think so. Silva would dominate him standing. Jacare has a great ground game but Anderson's ground game is underrated by some.

Andersons ground game may be underrated, but he looked awfully susceptible in the wrestling dept vs Chael. Jacare has shown some pretty good wrestling of late. Enough to keep silva on his back? I dunno, but I'm pretty confident Jacare would not be subbed by Anderson.

And Anderson's standup has looked a little shakey of late. Age? Maybe. Certainly a prime Silva has a big edge in the striking dept, but is this still prime Silva? Strikers have not been known to have the longevity of wrestlers.

Certainly Jacare is a far more dangerous opponent then Maia(or Thales, or Cote).

I don't think Anderson would sub Jacare either, but I'm not sure that Jacare even gets Anderson to the ground. And you're right, he's a much more dangerous opponent than the guys you listed. It would be a great fight, but Jacare by no means would "handle" Anderson Silva.

Bigs03 wrote:

Is there ever a real reason to say jits? I don't think so.

But seriously, handle Anderson? I don't think so. Silva would dominate him standing. Jacare has a great ground game but Anderson's ground game is underrated by some.

It's not hang with Jacare underrated.

Silva was supposed to dominate Chael standing and he did vitrually nothing except take a few shots himself. Jacare is a good striker and he's got excellent takedowns that most BJJ aces lack.

Handle is strong word usage but IMO Jacare would be as big of a test as anybody Silva has ever fought, including Chael.

Silva won't even be the MW champ anymore come Super Bowl weekend

But per the topic, it would be an extremely stiff test for Anderson. Jacare is a nightmare for anyone in the MW division and he's only going to get better

I think the threat of the takedown opens Silva's chin up. Chael is a mediocre striker who is worse than most guys Anderson has humiliated but everytime he came forward Anderson was expecting the shoot and took a few shots and then got taken down. Jacare is not Maia or Leites. He can easily take Anderson down and he is quick and explosive enough to set it up with strikes. If you think having Sonnen on top of Anderson is dangerous. He's in a pile of creamy shit with Jacare on top of him.

Now granted, Sonnen is A LOT harder, actually almost impossible to get off once he gets on top and he's also in a class of his own with takedowns that Silva did not even come close to fighting off. His tank is also better.

However, Sonnen is obviously prone to submissions and not that likely to finish the fight on top. Jacare is not and if he's on top chances of being finished are dangerously high and i personally think Jacare can easily get the fight to the ground. He does not pussyfoot a telegraphed single leg attempt like Maia. He sets up takedown attempts with strikes and his takedowns are of the "you're going down" variety. Double legs, he'll pick you up and slam you. He's the real deal and would be a good fight for Anderson.

They will probably never fight but if Jacare was in the UFC today, i'm sure he would have no problem taking a fight with Anderson Silva. Team Association is not everything with Team Nogueira. Lil Nog said he'd be willing to fight Dragon.

So Kings, are you agreeing that saying Jacare would "handle" Anderson is a little presumptive?

Handling suggests he'd be able to do what he wants when he wants to Anderson. I don't agree with that. I think he could definetly have a good chance to win.

Jacare couldn't do shit to Joey on the ground, could barely get him there let alone keep him there. Anderson whoops him. It would be more embarrassing than this thread.

What do you mean he could barely get him there? he took him down at will. Joey is also extremely hard to submit. Much like Mayhem. He's only lost 1 fight via submission in his 35 fights and that was in 2000 in his 4th career fight against Terrell. Joey is really good at getting back to his feet and defending submissions. That said, Jacare dominated that fight and hardly had any trouble taking him down at all. Jacare didnt even go for any submissions in that fight. He mostly wanted to strike(outstruck a good striker) and ground and pound.

It didnt take him long to take down Lindland and submit his ass...but of course, Lindland is shot because he lost to Fedor and Belfort.

He did got takedowns but then what? If he was ablre to sub Joey he would of in a second. Think Joey has better jj than Silva? I don't.

edit. let it be known I knew I was wong and typed it any ways. flame it

Joey has that tough-veteran thing going where he makes elite fighters look bad but that isn't reflective of Jacare's overall skillset or game. He'd arm triangle Silva in the third round.

Silva gets no respect sometimes because he's hated, I hate him. He actually deserves respect though. Jacare would get lumped up against a healthy Silva. He wouldn't be the first high level Black Belt to lose to him either. Silva is in his prime. Jacare isn't fully developed yet. Everyone's favorite overrated fighter KO'd him, but a p4p king KO artist won't now?

Anderson Silva is one of my favorite fighters. Submitting Sonnen is one of my favorite MMA moments and i'd probably route for him against Jacare as well. I'd pick him to win the fight if it happened today as well but i'm not being unreasonable when i say that Jacare has all the tools to give Anderson Silva problems.

I queestion if you even watched that Villasenor fight or have even watched Jacare period. Your analysis of Jacare based on that fight makes it seem you went on wikipedia and did not see win via submission so you assume that it's because Jacare was unable to submit Villasenor. You already kind of gave it away by saying Jacare could barely get Villasenor down when he took him down at will, even slamming him a few times. As i mentioned, he never even attempted to submit Joey. He mostly ground and pounded and kept the fight standing. Joey used the cage well and has always been good at getting the fight back to the feet and using good defense against submission.

Jacare has tapped out better BJJ players with ease in MMA and BJJ competition. So, Ya think Joey has better BJJ than Anderson arguement does not cut it. Anderson got socked up standing by Chael in the first round. Ya think Chael has better stand up than Rich Franklin, Nate Marquardt, Dan Henderson and Forrest Griffin? i don't.

If your best arguement is Jacare's BJJ is NOT that big of a threat for Anderson Silva you might as well not even post in the thread. Jacare's BJJ is a threat to everybody but the impressive thing about Jacare is that he does not rely on it.

So you could look on wikipedia and see Demian Maia did not win his last fight by submission so it must have been not very impressive. You can't say that about Jacare. His most impressive performances are the ones where he did not submit his opponent such as Mayhem, Joey, and Kennedy.

Wow

GDPofDRC wrote:

Wow

Dynamite response GDP. I can see why they elected to make you a moderator seeing as you arent one that would post something completely useless.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Wow

Dynamite response GDP. I can see why they elected to make you a moderator seeing as you arent one that would post something completely useless.

Wow again. Am I on some kind of clock?

Stay classy and keep thinking I should quit posting because I think Anderson would beat Jacare.

I think you misunderstood almost my entire post.

1. I did not say you were being unreasonable by thinking Anderson can knock out Jacare. I never said he could not. I think you writing off Jacare vs. Silva based on a fight with Joey Villasenor that i think you probably didnt even see is unreasonable

2. Why didnt Jacare attempt to submit Joey? I don't know, i'm not Jacare. My best guess is because Joey was defending for submissions well but leaving himself open for ground and pound. Joey has always been good at scrambling and defending submissions. That is just how the fight went. Maybe he didnt care if Joey went back to the feet because he was kicking Joey's ass in the stand up as well? as mentioned, Jacare does not rely on his BJJ like Maia does.

3. I meant that Jacare has submitted guys with much better jiu jitsu than Villaseonor, not Anderson. I could see how you thought i meant Anderson though.

4. The submission is his most effective weapon and if he gets on top against anybody. He can submit them. He beat Kennedy and Villasenor with strikes. Jacare is good striker. He has good head movement. Good foot work, fast hands.

5. I don't really know what you thought about the wikipedia thing. Maybe you think i was saying that I look at wikipedia for my fight knowledge but i said that YOU could look on wikipedia because i think you did so in your analysis of Jacare Souza vs. Joey Villasenor because everything suggests you did not see the fight.

GDPofDRC wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

Wow

Dynamite response GDP. I can see why they elected to make you a moderator seeing as you arent one that would post something completely useless.

Wow again. Am I on some kind of clock?

Stay classy and keep thinking I should quit posting because I think Anderson would beat Jacare.

I said you should quit posting?

I also said i would pick Anderson Silva if they were to fight, so quit acting like i'm trying to bully you because you think Silva would win. I just think you have slim to no knowledge of Jacare and i think each of your posts proves that.

I'm not writing off his talents. I just don't think they will be enough to beat Silva let alone finish him if they were to fight. But I did think he would of been able to finish everyone he's faced in SF so far via submission after seeing his game in Japan.