Does Antonio have a shot?

You can argue "signature fight" all you like, against someone who is arguing that, whatever that is. The fight that made Pacman an ESPN name and household name was the DLH fight and it's insane to argue otherwise.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You can argue "signature fight" all you like, against someone who is arguing that, whatever that is. The fight that made Pacman an ESPN name and household name was the DLH fight and it's insane to argue otherwise.

So what about the original argument that if a megastar loses that boxing crumbles? I think De La Hoya and Hopkins proved that it won't. De la Hoya went on to his biggest PPV numbers post Hop and Bernard's numbers are worse than Mosley.

It would depend on how Pacman lost. But certainly losses take the luster of draws. RJJ hasn't been selling PPVs has he?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

It would depend on how Pacman lost. But certainly losses take the luster of draws. RJJ hasn't been selling PPVs has he?

He never did. Do you purposely avoid points that prove you wrong?? Hopkins beating DLH. Stick to the points. Maxim beating Robinson.

There is a thread with a bunch of examles right now where guys in their prime who were top draws were defeated. Yet boxing is still around and will continue to be around long after Pac or anyone else retires.

Hopkins, Sturm, Mosley, Trinidad all beat DLH and he still continued to get big #s

Pac will not lose to Antonio M, so I don't even know why I'm writing this. However, if he does, it will be a major set back for boxing. Oscar De La Hoya losing to Hopkins was not a big deal. Hopkins is much more highly regarded than AM to say the very least. Also, Oscar was out of his weight class. Manny P. has grown into the JW and WW divisions. Manny cannot afford to lose this fight. His (Manny's) gimmick is jumping weight divisions. Right now, he's boxing's cash cow. Losing to AM would be a disaster.

Antonio Margarito is going to beat Manny Pacquiao like a big stick beating up on an old dirty rug hung over a fence. This isn’t going to be one of those nice beatings like the one Margarito gave to his last opponent Roberto Garcia. This is going to be another Miguel Cotto beating, where Pacquiao’s eyes are all cut open, his nose twisted sideways, his lips busted and bleeding and his ear all messed up like it was in the Cotto fight.

Margarito won’t have mercy. It’s going to be a savage beating that has Freddie Roach out of his mind with panic. Pacquiao’s long string success since his gift decision over Juan Manuel Marquez ends right here with this bout and this beating. Margarito is a lot more talented than you people will ever know. All the people think is that he’s the one that loaded up his hand wraps and tried to fight with them. He didn’t know anything, and the guy is a major talent and doesn’t need loaded hand wraps to beat Pacquiao black and blue.

Okay, so I see this fight getting out of hand early on like in the 1st round. Margarito is going to come out firing away with tremendous hooks to the head and body. Each shot that Margarito lands will drive the little Pacquiao backwards from the force of the shot. It’s going to be like watching a little lamb getting slaughtered by a farmer with a long, long knife. Margarito is going to cut into Pacquiao with each shot and make him cry out in pain.

Pacquiao will stagger back to his corner after taking too much punishment from the proud Mexican warrior. In between rounds, Roach will babble some instructions to Pacquiao about attacking Margarito. It won’t matter what he tells Pacquiao, because he won’t have the size or skills to carry out Roach’s desperate instructions.

Okay, so the 2nd round will be more of the same with Margarito tearing into Pacquiao’s hide like a killer whale eating a little seal. Pacquiao will try to fight back, but Margarito will continue tear away at Pacquiao with huge shots that will hurt Pacquiao in the worst way. Finally, Margarito will land one of those Joshua Clottey uppercuts that send Pacquiao’s head snapping like it’s going to come off his neck. Pacquiao will then topple backwards and fall straight on his back without even breaking his fall.

Pacquiao’s non-seeing eyes will be staring at the overhead lights without registering what he’s viewing. There won’t be any need for a count because Pacquiao will be out cold. Roach will come rushing into the ring, look at Pacquiao and start blubbering nonstop. Margarito will smile and walk away like it was no big deal.

4445Frank wrote:

Pac will not lose to Antonio M, so I don't even know why I'm writing this. However, if he does, it will be a major set back for boxing. Oscar De La Hoya losing to Hopkins was not a big deal. Hopkins is much more highly regarded than AM to say the very least. Also, Oscar was out of his weight class. Manny P. has grown into the JW and WW divisions. Manny cannot afford to lose this fight. His (Manny's) gimmick is jumping weight divisions. Right now, he's boxing's cash cow. Losing to AM would be a disaster.

Arum wouldn't have made the fight if that was the case. Boxing is Arum's business, if Pacquiao losing would jeopardize his business why would he risk it? This fight isn't going to break record PPV's or anything. Pacquaio won't even lose his p4p status if he loses. Margarito is former champion who defeated top guys in a division, if he beats Pac, Pac still has big money fights with Cotto, Marquez (who will fight his mother to face Pac), Mosley and Mayweather. One man with all of these options, I fail to see how this would ruin boxing.

Oscar was just as much in his weight class as Pacquiao is. He fought Sturm at the middleweight limit and had four fights at 154 before that. Before that he fought 12 fights at 147. He also made Hopkins fight at a 155 lb catchweight and put the titles on the line. Oh, and Oscar is also 5'10", Manny is 5'5". Pacquiao has had one fight at 140, two at 147 and one at 135. If anything Oscar was more in his weight class than Pacquaio is.

He has a good shot at a knock out. Margarito will hurt Pacquaio in this fight, I just dont know if he'll be able to finish him.

hardcoreBEE24 wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

It would depend on how Pacman lost. But certainly losses take the luster of draws. RJJ hasn't been selling PPVs has he?

He never did. Do you purposely avoid points that prove you wrong?? Hopkins beating DLH. Stick to the points. Maxim beating Robinson.

There is a thread with a bunch of examles right now where guys in their prime who were top draws were defeated. Yet boxing is still around and will continue to be around long after Pac or anyone else retires.

Slow down, breath, reread what I say and think it over. You've got your head down and are swinging wildly in defense of boxing's honor. No one called your mistress a slut buddy.

Sugar Ray Robinson fought before our lifetimes in a different era of boxing, before PPV and before boxing's current state. Boxing was a different beast then. Please don't use arguments that defeat your own agenda by being so ridiculous. Might help out. Oscar and Manny are not the same, and Tony and Hopkins are not the same. ODLH already had a legendary career behind him with legions of Latino fans. Manny doesn't enjoy that yet. He is "new" in terms of his star and doesn't pull the ethnic crowd in nearly so much. A close loss is one thing, but if he gets destroyed by Margo, boxing will struggle to find a million buy seller. This doesn't mean boxing will magically "go away" and that isn't what I am arguing. You're so used to defending boxing's honor that you're randomly replying to things on autopilot.

If Manny loses, it will be a disaster for American Boxing as big business though, and no amount of happy faces and oblivious optimism can prevent it bee.

Slow down, breath, reread what I say and think it over. You've got your head down and are swinging wildly in defense of boxing's honor. No one called your mistress a slut buddy.

Sugar Ray Robinson fought before our lifetimes in a different era of boxing, before PPV and before boxing's current state. Boxing was a different beast then. Please don't use arguments that defeat your own agenda by being so ridiculous. Might help out. Oscar and Manny are not the same, and Tony and Hopkins are not the same. ODLH already had a legendary career behind him with legions of Latino fans. Manny doesn't enjoy that yet. He is "new" in terms of his star and doesn't pull the ethnic crowd in nearly so much. A close loss is one thing, but if he gets destroyed by Margo, boxing will struggle to find a million buy seller. This doesn't mean boxing will magically "go away" and that isn't what I am arguing. You're so used to defending boxing's honor that you're randomly replying to things on autopilot.

If Manny loses, it will be a disaster for American Boxing as big business though, and no amount of happy faces and oblivious optimism can prevent it bee. [/quote]

Two things, the bold just isn't funny and the reason you're not a mod anymore. I saw how upset you were by your status change. Don't try and insult people, you're not good at it and it cost you something you cared about.

Manny has a possibility of four +500,000 PPV's in front of him win lose or draw. They are... Mayweather (who would be more likely to take a fight with Pac if he loses), Cotto rematch (same reasons as Mayeather), Mosley, and Marquez who is trying to move up to get a fight with Manny. Boxing, and Manny in particular, have options.

There is a big difference between 500K and 1million. Specifically 500k.

If Mayweather-Manny is made after a loss by one or both, I still think it would be huge, but that fight would have done 2 million had they struck when the iron was hot.

If I wasn't good at insulting people I'd still be a mod, and I wasn't insulting you. You were indeed slipping into automated replies in regards to boxing's death from my perspective. You'd probably typed similar responses 30 times at various stages in the last year.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

There is a big difference between 500K and 1million. Specifically 500k.

If Mayweather-Manny is made after a loss by one or both, I still think it would be huge, but that fight would have done 2 million had they struck when the iron was hot.

If I wasn't good at insulting people I'd still be a mod, and I wasn't insulting you. You were indeed slipping into automated replies in regards to boxing's death from my perspective. You'd probably typed similar responses 30 times at various stages in the last year.

I never discussed boxing with MMA fans, so no I've actually never had to have this argument. Maybe insult is wrong word, but absolutely rub people the wrong way I guess would be the right phrase so to speak.

Boxings death is just that, your perspective.

Again, just from a business perspective why would Arum have made the fight (a fight that probably won't do 1mil) if the risk of Manny losing would ruin the business he's in? The simple answer is it won't.

BTW guys if Margarito beats Pacquiao, I can bet his next fight is bigger than any Hopkins PPV sans Oscar.

Depends on who it is against and how Manny looks.

Sure, he has a shot. It is a fight after all, and any punch could change the outcome.

That being said, does Margo have a good shot? Nope. Not even close against Manny.