Quetsions about Archie Moore

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

who is the best light heavyweight ever?...i thought it was bob foster but i don't know much about light heavies. when i think of this weight class i think of bob foster, archie and....roy in his pirate suit.

ive actually wondered that myself because he never seemed like he hit exceptionally hard like shavers, jackson, foreman, hearns, etc. but he has so many KO's. and i think that its safe to say that he is a top 5 LHW. i wouldnt say that he is #1 but you could definitely make a case for top 3.

The simple answer would be accumulation of punches.Hagler was never a huge puncher either but tended to wear guys down.

powerpuncher wrote:

ive actually wondered that myself because he never seemed like he hit exceptionally hard like shavers, jackson, foreman, hearns, etc. but he has so many KO's. and i think that its safe to say that he is a top 5 LHW. i wouldnt say that he is #1 but you could definitely make a case for top 3.

I would put Charles at #1 and Moore or Charles at #2

Moore also had the benefit of fifteen round fights, that's extra time to wear down his opponents.

archie was the greatest LH champ..as a LHW id rate1.charles2.langford3.tunney 4.archie5.foster6.conn 7.laughran8.spinks...frank yes first you have to have a lot of fights to get 131 kos.along that line of course several were mediocre to plow horses archie koed BUT he also has a long list of excellent fighters that were ko victoms also..make no mistake about it moore had power..dont overtlook thaty..not a marciano or dempsey power who in reality weighed similar but non the less far above average power..combine that with accuracy balance and excellent lev erage that moore had and you can see why he had a ton of kos.archie also was good at feighting a guy into a position of vulnerabilty to be hit..combine all thoses assets and that hopefully should anser your question..

WinstonSmith wrote:

powerpuncher wrote:

ive actually wondered that myself because he never seemed like he hit exceptionally hard like shavers, jackson, foreman, hearns, etc. but he has so many KO's. and i think that its safe to say that he is a top 5 LHW. i wouldnt say that he is #1 but you could definitely make a case for top 3.

I would put Charles at #1 and Moore or Charles at #2

I meant Moore or Foster at #2.

Ali_1748 wrote:

Moore also had the benefit of fifteen round fights, that's extra time to wear down his opponents.

ali not true at all..the only fighter moore koed after 12 i believe was harold johnson and maybe just one or two others after 10 rounds.

dmar5143 wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Moore also had the benefit of fifteen round fights, that's extra time to wear down his opponents.

ali not true at all..the only fighter moore koed after 12 i believe was harold johnson and maybe just one or two others after 10 rounds.

Yeah but he still the extra rounds available.

realy..well he didnt need them..they could be 50 round fights dont matter if you ko the guy in 10 or less plus how many title fights do you think archie had..

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since?

I don't know as much about him as other people on here. My take is his most important attribute was his boxing ability. In ring tactics and technique. He could figure guys out in the ring. The next part is his temperament. He was patient (which led to opportunities to hurt people throughout the fight) and he wanted the KO. The last thing is he had good power and great placement.

Marble put an article on him a while back which is a good read:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1130212/index.htm

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

One answer is because he made it a point to knock men out. He believed THAT was how one saved one's self from massive physical damage over time. EVERYTHING he did was geared towards knocking men out.

Another reason for the huge number is that Archie fought a huge number of times as well so he had lots of opportunities.

RUM CAPITAL wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

who is the best light heavyweight ever?...i thought it was bob foster but i don't know much about light heavies. when i think of this weight class i think of bob foster, archie and....roy in his pirate suit.

Who's the best 175 of all time? Probably one of the following. Ezzard Charles, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford, Michael Spinks, Bob Foster or Archie.

Gumby wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since?

I don't know as much about him as other people on here. My take is his most important attribute was his boxing ability. In ring tactics and technique. He could figure guys out in the ring. The next part is his temperament. He was patient (which led to opportunities to hurt people throughout the fight) and he wanted the KO. The last thing is he had good power and great placement.

Marble put an article on him a while back which is a good read:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1130212/index.htm

My own take is that is a huge part of the explanation.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

RUM CAPITAL wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

who is the best light heavyweight ever?...i thought it was bob foster but i don't know much about light heavies. when i think of this weight class i think of bob foster, archie and....roy in his pirate suit.

Who's the best 175 of all time? Probably one of the following. Ezzard Charles, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford, Michael Spinks, Bob Foster or Archie.

no tunney? maybe because his resume wasnt as good at LHW. i would put tunney in the top 3 for sure though.

dmar5143 wrote:

archie was the greatest LH champ..as a LHW id rate1.charles2.langford3.tunney 4.archie5.foster6.conn 7.laughran8.spinks...frank yes first you have to have a lot of fights to get 131 kos.along that line of course several were mediocre to plow horses archie koed BUT he also has a long list of excellent fighters that were ko victoms also..make no mistake about it moore had power..dont overtlook thaty..not a marciano or dempsey power who in reality weighed similar but non the less far above average power..combine that with accuracy balance and excellent lev erage that moore had and you can see why he had a ton of kos.archie also was good at feighting a guy into a position of vulnerabilty to be hit..combine all thoses assets and that hopefully should anser your question..

thats a pretty good list dmar. i still think that laughran is underrated though. i believe that laughran is a top 5 LHW. but i guess 7 isnt too far from 5.

powerpuncher yes tommy can easly be 5.from 5 to 7 you can interchange for sure..

powerpuncher wrote:

marbleheadmaui wrote:

RUM CAPITAL wrote:

4445Frank wrote:

I have some honest questions about, Archie Moore. I think it's safe to say that most of the boxing press believes him to be the best light heavyweight (or one of the top 3) ever. That said, this man recorded 130 knockouts. Fine. What was behind this power?

From where I sit, Archie did not have one punch KO power. How did he record these many KO's? Weak opponents? Great boxing ability? Strong combinations? A mix of speed and power unseen in the division before or since? I'd like to know because I know that nobody will ever break this record. Nevertheless, fighters like Joe Louis, Earnie Shavers, Foreman, Dempsey, the power guys, could never dream of recording these many knockouts. (I know it had to do with how many fights they fought but c'mon, we're talking 130 ko,s here. ) My question is, "How the hell did Archie Moore KO 130 opponents?" For all the smart asses out there, I know he hit them in the head and went in his corner to await the ten count. I'm looking for a more informative explanation than that. LOL

who is the best light heavyweight ever?...i thought it was bob foster but i don't know much about light heavies. when i think of this weight class i think of bob foster, archie and....roy in his pirate suit.

Who's the best 175 of all time? Probably one of the following. Ezzard Charles, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford, Michael Spinks, Bob Foster or Archie.

no tunney? maybe because his resume wasnt as good at LHW. i would put tunney in the top 3 for sure though.

Sure Tunney deserves consideration. My bad.

dmar5143 wrote:

powerpuncher yes tommy can easly be 5.from 5 to 7 you can interchange for sure..

The older I get the more I realize it's impossible to really do more than group fighters. Trying to make a compellig case why one ATG is #3 and another #5 and a third #7 is almost impossible.

marbleheadmaui wrote:

dmar5143 wrote:

powerpuncher yes tommy can easly be 5.from 5 to 7 you can interchange for sure..

The older I get the more I realize it's impossible to really do more than group fighters. Trying to make a compellig case why one ATG is #3 and another #5 and a third #7 is almost impossible.

thats true. at the end of the day i think that you start ranking one fighter a spot higher than the other because you like them more or you just recently watched some of their fights and are thinking more highly of them at that point.

like marble said geared to wear you down AND great defense, he could hit you more than you hit him, hell as an old man he had a hard enogh shot to nearly stop Marciano in his last fight

Here's my 2 cents Frank: Moore definately had some power, but he wasn't persay a KO artist. According to BoxRec, his KO% was 59.55, showing that he was more of a boxer/puncher type pugilist. Just like Sugar Ray Robinson, Archie had a ton of fights, 220 in all, 131 is a lot of KO's, but keep the number of fights he had in perspective.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=8995&cat=boxer

ring percentages mean nothing at times..archie could punch..an example is basilio who could hit big time especialy with one of the greatest left hooks ever..low ko percentage..how do you ko a gavilin a robinson a billy grahm a fullmer an d several others fighters like them..giardello was another..a cutie in the ring who finaly desided to train at age 34..serious guys..excellent left hook.low ko percentage per say..is lamar clark a great puncher who ko guys in his first 43 fights.nope..
BIRD moore came noooo where close in stoping marciano..a knockdown yes based on balance and transfer of feet for 2 or 3 seconds..marble knows what im talking about..bird you are young and excellent with knowlegde..a colledge graduate maybe ..lol pay attention to a few old guys that got a few phd degrees on this stuff..you ali powerrpuncher and a few others are awsaome for your age..

ring forget the stats..robinson ranks in the top 7 or 8 all time in punching power in the mildes maybe slightly higher..