Belfort vs. Franklin - Who wins?

let me get this straight I've owned you in two straight av bets that you won't own up too and you honestly think i'm going to bet again lol. So I can do what, tell you I told you so again? As for the BJ vs GSP arguement i'm a BJ hugger and I stated that from the get go. BJ and Fedor are two guys I will probably never pick against period. Really if you want to compare anything too prove a point how about instead of using just one fight as an example maybe you should looke at GOR. Your 15-11 i'm 20-9 so lets not act like I have no idea what i'm talking about when picking fights.

owned me in two straight av bets?

Prove that we bet on ufc 100, find it. I never bet against UFC's numbers, I loved that show and wanted it to do 9 million. I promise on my kids dude, I never bet on UFC 100. The only bet we ever made ever was that Mayweather's fight would do 800K, I said ya, you said no. That original bet was made before the show was moved to the same day the UFC's card was. Hold me to it if you want, but the bet isn't the same anymore. I don't think it will do 800K anymore either so whatever. The reason you think we bet on 100 is because shortly after UFC 100 I asked in an ESPN thread "did we bet on this" forgetting what exactly we bet on and you were like "i donno maybe" and I couldn't remember why or what would have made me bet against a UFC event.

Change the only bet we ever made to Franklin - Belfort. Come on.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Also, there is little evidence that Belfort has a significant advantage on the ground. He's never shown upper level wrestling and while his BJJ pedigree is always played up, who has he submitted? Bobby Southworth a career journeyman and somebody named Joe Charles back in the ancient days before niggaz even knew BJJ at all.

How many times has Franklin been sub'd? None.

Belfort is a gracie who took 3rd only losing to Arona on points. Arona is undefeated in ADCC competition so that alone should tell you something. Belfort doesn't utilize his bjj that much but his skills are definitely ahead of rich's.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

owned me in two straight av bets?

Prove that we bet on ufc 100, find it. I never bet against UFC's numbers, I loved that show and wanted it to do 9 million. I promise on my kids dude, I never bet on UFC 100. The only bet we ever made ever was that Mayweather's fight would do 800K, I said ya, you said no. That original bet was made before the show was moved to the same day the UFC's card was. Hold me to it if you want, but the bet isn't the same anymore. I don't think it will do 800K anymore either so whatever. The reason you think we bet on 100 is because shortly after the bet I forgot what we bet on and asked in an ESPN thread "did we bet on this" forgetting what exactly we bet on and you were like "i donno maybe" and I couldn't remember why or what would have made me bet against a UFC event.

Change the only bet we ever made to Franklin - Belfort. Come on.

I will find it. You said it would do under 1.5 I said over plain and simple. Now your just being a fuckin Liar or you have alzhiemers I'm not sure which one. As for the Belfort/Franklin bet I'll take that too.

Looking at MMA skills though Belfort has never been able to use them and he has been in fights with a lot of grapplers and wrestlers. He is no Damien Maia and it is unlikely he will ever sub someone as crafty as Franklin, who has beaten dudes like Lutter who have much better MMA BJJ than he has at least ever shown.

Look at the stats bro. How do you see the fight going?

No dude we bet the over under on Mayweather, and after the UFC event we were like "wait what was the bet, over 1.6? No, maybe, what?"

If I did make that bet I was smoking the dankest of the super dank and have had my memory utterly erased. But like I said, I didn't bet on 100 bro. I never once had a thought in my mind on how the ppv would do. Never had enough of an idea to even make a bet on it. Besides, I ordered it and like I told you I won't bet for an event I won't order or against one I did.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Looking at MMA skills though Belfort has never been able to use them and he has been in fights with a lot of grapplers and wrestlers. He is no Damien Maia and it is unlikely he will ever sub someone as crafty as Franklin, who has beaten dudes like Lutter who have much better MMA BJJ than he has at least ever shown.

Look at the stats bro. How do you see the fight going?

I think your totally missing the point. I'm not saying Belfort is going to sub him. I'm saying Franklin won't be able to win it on the ground and is going to keep it standing. As far as striking goes thats where Belfort has the significant advantage to me. His boxing is far more technical and his has are much faster than rich's. I don't know how people think Rich is going to outstrike vitor. I think Belfort will be content to pick him apart and wait for a mistake.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

No dude we bet the over under on Mayweather, and after the UFC event we were like "wait what was the bet, over 1.6? No, maybe, what?"

If I did make that bet I was smoking the dankest of the super dank and have had my memory utterly erased. But like I said, I didn't bet on 100 bro. I never once had a thought in my mind on how the ppv would do. Never had enough of an idea to even make a bet on it. Besides, I ordered it and like I told you I won't bet for an event I won't order or against one I did.

yeah yeah

CombatSports4Life wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Looking at MMA skills though Belfort has never been able to use them and he has been in fights with a lot of grapplers and wrestlers. He is no Damien Maia and it is unlikely he will ever sub someone as crafty as Franklin, who has beaten dudes like Lutter who have much better MMA BJJ than he has at least ever shown.

Look at the stats bro. How do you see the fight going?

I think your totally missing the point. I'm not saying Belfort is going to sub him. I'm saying Franklin won't be able to win it on the ground and is going to keep it standing. As far as striking goes thats where Belfort has the significant advantage to me. His boxing is far more technical and his has are much faster than rich's. I don't know how people think Rich is going to outstrike vitor. I think Belfort will be content to pick him apart and wait for a mistake.

Name a fighter that Belfort picked apart, waited for a mistake, and capitalized on outside of the first few minutes. Belfort doesn't fight like that. He doesn't pick guys like Franklin apart. He blasts them or he folds. He is not a mentally strong fighter from my armchair warrior perspective.

From my amrchair warrior perspective Belfort was an animal befort his sister was kidnapped and murdered. From that point up until a couple years ago he seemed very unfocused on MMA. Now It seems to me that he is focused which tells me his mind is in the right place. You make him out to be a mental midget I think he's a mental giant. You will see my friend.

What? You see how he folded during the first Couture fight. Look even at his earlier career and the same has always been true. I feel for him for his sister but that is no excuse for his entire career of folding under pressure.

Does he have a single come-from-behind win ever? Anyone remember one...

I'm going to be pissed if Belfort wins in a few seconds. That is exactly how the last show I went to was. The Arlovski fight was one of the best last year and then in like 36 seconds Fedor finished Timmy.....talk about anti climatic.

Fedor destroying Timmy that fast was the perfect climax. Plus I was so stressed that moment I couldn't have endured much anyway.

Wolfy we were both right but I think this goes to show your entire argument was meaningless for this this. We'll see if anything you said will be true in Belfort's next fight. I think the whole point of this is If your KO'ing people in the early rounds it doesn't mean a whole lot if you have come from behind wins on your resume or not. You can also notch a good win for Belfort now. That will be one less thing for your argument next time.