Aoki "The UFC isn't interesting because of wrestling"

Quote :

"I am really a huge fan of BJ Penn, he is one of my favorite fighters. He lost by decision. When we look at martial arts in it's most extreme form, we need to win by submission or knockout. In that sense, he didn't lose. He lost that fight but he is still 'the man. He is still my favorite fighter... The American wrestling style - punching a little bit, getting a takedown and moving to side control to win the round has no risk. It's an easier fight. It's just using the judges. They don't even have to worry about injuries or anything like that. There is no risk... I'm a huge fan of the UFC, but I think that it hasn't been very interesting lately. There are good fighters of course but not so many interesting fights. They punch a little bit, then get a takedown and every round is just a repetition of that. Japanese MMA is totally different. We go for knockouts and submissions from the beginning and going for the decision isn't an option."

Wrestlers got the world trembling.

That little monkey sets up that kick nicely

Hardy and Aoki speak the truth.

Learn to counter the side mount.

im against lay n pray but this all sounds a little similar to excuses

Ali_1748 wrote:

Hardy and Aoki speak the truth.

Yeah that American wrestlers dominate them.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

That little monkey sets up that kick nicely

He is a master baiter.

If wrestling isn't boring, why does UFC only show striking in their highlights?

Most fans can related to a good strike much easier than they can to well executed ground positioning. Not saying it doesn't take skill; but from a fan viewpoint it's not exactly action-packed.

I agree it is boring but its mma and thats one of the aspects so learn it or stfu. I guess everyone needs to train chute box or retire.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Hardy and Aoki speak the truth.

Yeah that American wrestlers dominate them.

GSP is Canadian.

If BJJ guys or pure strikers have a problem with the wrestling aspect of MMA they could always get around that buy doing K-1 or BJJ tournys. You want to fight MMA, be prepared.

Ali_1748 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Hardy and Aoki speak the truth.

Yeah that American wrestlers dominate them.

GSP is Canadian.

Who uses wrestling like an American. You don't see Frenchie complaining, man up foreigners.

Seems simple to me. If wrestling is beating you you can do like Kenny and address it through attempting to better your game there or you can cry about and suggest the rules should be changed to better fit your capabilities. I like Kenny approach more.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Seems simple to me. If wrestling is beating you you can do like Kenny and address it through attempting to better your game there or you can cry about and suggest the rules should be changed to better fit your capabilities. I like Kenny approach more.

You can do like Kenny and BJ and roll your eyes the whole fight from your back while looking disinterested then claim to be training your butt off when it is over.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Hardy and Aoki speak the truth.

Yeah that American wrestlers dominate them.

GSP is Canadian.

Who uses wrestling like an American. You don't see Frenchie complaining, man up foreigners.

I love how Americans don't consider us Canadians foreigners; but it's pretty much true.

While i disagree that the UFC/Zuffa is uninteresting because they definetly have the guys who don't need to sweat point grubbling wrestlers like Jose Aldo, Lyoto Machida, Shogun Rua and Anderson Silva.

I agree with his stance on Japanese MMA. They currently don't have as good of fighters over there..still recovering from the fall of Pride, but i still think Japan MMA puts all the skills to the forefront. You just don't get away with point grubbing there. Thats why most one dimensional wrestlers never did shit in Pride or even nowadays..they can't finish fights and the judging system does not work in favor of guys with the intention of taking it to a decision, boring the fans, and not actually fighting. Actually, most wrestlers would be broke because they would get yellow carded for not fighting. Randy Couture for example, was NOTHING in Japan but yet he's a UFC legend. He went 3-3 in Japan MMA and got finished in all 3 losses but guys of the WTF category considering Couture's rank in MMA history. Granted, there was the "Decision Dan" era but he was filthy and known to also knock some motherfuckers out.

I've also expressed by hate for how biased the american scoring system is for wrestling to where a somebody can get a takedown and land in somebody guard...not land a single fuckin punch, fight off submission after submission, be the only one at risk of being finished yet still be winning the fight. Of course, it's not always a wrestler in that situation, sometimes it's two BJJ guys but the scoring system is flawed that it rewards stalling. It allows people to play the survival game yet still have a chance to win the fight...this a different thread all together though.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

While i disagree that the UFC/Zuffa is uninteresting because they definetly have the guys who don't need to sweat point grubbling wrestlers like Jose Aldo, Lyoto Machida, Shogun Rua and Anderson Silva.

I agree with his stance on Japanese MMA. They currently don't have as good of fighters over there..still recovering from the fall of Pride, but i still think Japan MMA puts all the skills to the forefront. You just don't get away with point grubbing there. Thats why most one dimensional wrestlers never did shit in Pride or even nowadays..they can't finish fights and the judging system does not work in favor of guys with the intention of taking it to a decision, boring the fans, and not actually fighting. Actually, most wrestlers would be broke because they would get yellow carded for not fighting. Randy Couture for example, was NOTHING in Japan but yet he's a UFC legend. He went 3-3 in Japan MMA and got finished in all 3 losses but guys of the WTF category considering Couture's rank in MMA history. Granted, there was the "Decision Dan" era but he was filthy and known to also knock some motherfuckers out.

I've also expressed by hate for how biased the american scoring system is for wrestling to where a somebody can get a takedown and land in somebody guard...not land a single fuckin punch, fight off submission after submission, be the only one at risk of being finished yet still be winning the fight. Of course, it's not always a wrestler in that situation, sometimes it's two BJJ guys but the scoring system is flawed that it rewards stalling. It allows people to play the survival game yet still have a chance to win the fight...this a different thread all together though.

The Scoring system isn't flawed, it's the application and those doing the applicating that are incorrect. The rules state that a fighter who is on top is credited with an advantageous position and then they go on to say that this is not always the case. If judges aren't paying enough attention to submission attempts from the bottom that hardly means the rules themselves are flawed.

That's pretty much what i'm saying. Perhaps i should have specified "Judging" more and i don't know what the rule book to scoring says. I know that guys are rarely, almost never rewarded for doing the most damage or being the most active from the bottom in american MMA unless of course they submit or KO somebody.

We are pretty much in agreement that the rules themselves are not flawed(though i would have to read them myself) but i say the fact that those enforcing them are so uneducated on most of the martial arts in a sport called "mixed martial arts" and it seems to be consistant almost every judge commission after commission represents a flawed system because they are part of that system, even more so then what is written because obviously rules, regulations, guidelines can't enforce themselves...and judging is only getting worse and more erratic.

I just hope 'not always the case' came with some examples, because most of these idiots probably thought it meant "well yeah, if the guy gets submitted the fight is over but if not...he's winning"

Aoki should have said

"The UFC isnt interesting because they dont have a lady screaming her brains out during introductions"

he would have really spoken the truth on that

He also should've said: Thank God UFC fans don't have to listen to Michael Schiavello twice a month during PPVs

Yeah, the Voice creeps me out.

especially when he says stuff like

"taste myyy feet" or "Nakamura take Ammossou back to the mat and they're alll sweatyyy"

ya the voice FUCKING SUCKS

There just isn't a big lay and pray problem in MMA. It's a minor problem that will always be there, just like boring defensive run-based football will always be there, just like low scoring 1-0 games in baseball will be there, just like the boring styles of some NBA teams. The only guys complaining are guys who were dominated by wrestlers so thoroughly they've been written off by the MMA world as real challengers in the last fight or two. It's not like Melendez was criticized for point grubbing.

problem with that comparison is we dont pay 50 dolalrs to watch baseball