Aoki "The UFC isn't interesting because of wrestling"

Birdofthad wrote:

problem with that comparison is we dont pay 50 dolalrs to watch baseball

i'm sure one of you boxing nerds will reply with some sort of made up stat to reject this but there has always been boring fights in boxing too.

hahah hey im not arguieng that but were not talking boxing we retalking about a collective group of fighters IN THE SPORT saying wrestling is hurting

I personally dont care its called MIXED martial arts for a reason

dont worry wolf we pull stats(facts) out to prove yalls dumb opinions wrong dont get sad about it

Ray, like how Ray Robinson was a real fighter and how 100% of all the fighters who started fighting in the last 20 years are not, or whatever. Even that slickmoney kid said yall were trippin g.


Also, the Voice was the shit six months ago, now everyone hates him all of a sudden. Sad.

1. Canadians are foreigners. Mostly descended from expatriates who were loyal to the crown or Frenchman...I don't know which is worse. J/K.

2. What Aoki wants is for guys to jump into his guard and not know how to counter it, so they get hurt by him. He needs to get a craft-o-matical adjustment bed so he can get that VEE going and blow himself.

once again wolf spewing opinions pull up the article where i say new fighters suck

if you could read you would see i posted multiple fighters of this era who fight 8 to 14 times a year to prove my point that it still happens

sad

Who?

You posted two guys. One turned pro 40 years ago. One turned pro 30 years ago.

I agree with everything Kings had to say. The judges need to be educated better on how to score a ground fight. Guys like Carlos Condit and Gegard Mousasi are quite comfortable and dangerous off their back. They are constantly doing damage to their opponents and threatening to submit while losing rounds on the score cards because they aren't on top.

This type of scoring has extended the careers of Matt Hughes and Randy Couture.

wow you really didnt read the thread then

Julio Cesar Chavez, James Toney, Andre Berto, Emanuel Augustus, Micky Ward, Zab Judah, Oscar De La Hoya, Evander holyfield

all with 8 or more fights in a calendar year

How many years did they do this and who were they fighting? How many of these were 8 title defenses in a year? 8 fights is a far cry from the 15 you were talking about in those threads though when it came to Robinson. 8 fights for a high level fighter in today's day and age is rare but I don't think it could be unheard of.

That many fights a year is horrible for the brain with everything we know about boxing and brain injury. No concerns there?

go look at the thread your the one wanting to see it I already posted

Berto if I remember right had 10 fights in 2003 and 8 2004

is that the most recent example? That's not that great evidence wise. The possible existence of dinosaur boxing habits in the last ten years but absent now 6 doesn't at all prove your premise which was absolute - Ray Robinson would fight ten times a year and save boxing.

Well, not sure what Aoki is expecting, fighters to fight outside their strengths and therefore put themselves in danger? It's MMA, wrestlers are gonna use their wrestling. And in other instances use their wrestling to avoid going to the ground like Melendez did to him, he basically fought a similar fight against Aoki as to what Frankie did to BJ, avoid the strengths and outpoint. Though lets not kid ourselves, Frankie may not have finished BJ, but that was a complete win, similar to what I wrote Frankie could do. Sylistically Frankie is just a bad matchup for BJ, probably the only LW in the World that could beat him, at least IMO. And the only changes that need to be made in MMA judging are in the MMA knowledge of the judges.

quiet LA me and wolf are on a boxing argument hahaha

Wolf Julion Cesar Chavez 100+ fights retired in the 2000's

James Toney 80+ fights still active

George Foreman 80 + fights retired 1997

thats off top of my head

it still happens, now think up an argument/opinion against some more facts

Wolf Julion Cesar Chavez 100+ fights retired in the 2000's - starting fighting before I was born, since his son started fighting at the championship level three years ago has fought about 4 times a year. Excuse me if I take the son as a more recent example of what a champion would do

James Toney 80+ fights still active - embarrassed his entire sport last month, and should have retired five years ago, a complete joke inside and outside boxing. Mentioning him as evidence is like giving up backmount.

George Foreman 80 + fights retired 1997 - Fought Ali, grew up during segregation


Bird, you gotta stop this man. I'm concerned.

wolf you proved your a moron when it comes to posting with that last post

Julio Jr is looked at as a fraud and joke, more or less a punch line

Did you really just say that about Toney

Your a frieking moron then considering he is one of the best fighters ever from the recent era go to the boxing board and say that, na dont worry ill post it there for you to show what a dipshit you are when it comes to boxing. Toney is a GREAT boxer, you dont know dick

Wolf James TOney won middleweight title from a P4P fighter

2 WEEKS LATER fought the Number 1 contendor and owned him

feel that thing in your throat ?????? its your shoe

love how wolf counters facts with his opinion

forgive him lord, wolf knows not what the hell he talketh about

Quote :

James Toney 80+ fights still active - embarrassed his entire sport last month, and should have retired five years ago, a complete joke inside and outside boxing. Mentioning him as evidence is like giving up backmount.

What isn't true about that? The James Toney winning abominations of desolation like that Oquendo fight I watched last year is a complete joke. I know who he was, I know who Roy Jones Jr and Ken Shamrock are as well. EDIT - or were, rather.

James Toney is a legend and one of the hardest to hit guys in history, but he's washed up now, and has only fought 2-4 times a year for the last ten years.

that post is a far stretch from what you jsut wrote

so judging a guy off one fight

Mirco Cro Cop is the most overrated fighter ever a bum like Gonzaga whipped his ass and damn near kicked his head off

see how stupid that logic is?????????

Undisputed Middle, Super Middle and Cruiser champ but wolf actually watched the Oquendo fight watch out everybody

Why are you acting like I bashed who he was in his prime? Notice I said "he should have retired five years ago"?

Would anyone else in their right mind commit this much flagrant, flamboyant and embarrassing assbabble if someone said Roy Jones Jr Chuck Liddell, Crocop or Ken Shamrock should have retired years ago? Would anyone else interpret that as an attack on their entire career? Fuck no.


Because no one else would be stupid enough to do this, lay off the fucking bottle.

Judges, and to be completely honest, the refs also need to be better educated on how to score and ref an MMA match. Sometimes you see fights get stood up when one fighter is clearly working to improve position or even set up a submission. Other times you see clear cases of LnP and the refs let it continue on far to long when they should stand the fighters up. Some refs are quality, others are not, but I think more education and training for them could not hurt.

When I really think about it, the reffing in MMA is probably just as much of a problem as the judging. There's just less controversy because when the judges screw up it directly effects the outcome of the fight while a ref's mistake might only affect a round or a minute of a round.

I just find it incredibly ironic that Aoki has the nerve to criticize someone's style for not being mixed enough for mma, when he butt scoots around because he cant strike or wrestle well enough to get the fight to the ground against a quality opponent like Melendez.