The truth about certain religious people

NoRegret wrote:

We REALLY dont need ANOTHER religious debate on here.

Come on NoRegret, there isn't much action in the morning. Whatever helps kill time. Better then making a "how hairy is your ass" thread like Ali.

This has been one of the most productive and interesting discussions we've ever had. But thanks for actually reading it and contributing...

Not the typical who's wrist is limper/dick is smaller debates the boxing weirdos have.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This has been one of the most productive and interesting discussions we've ever had. But thanks for actually reading it and contributing...

I've contributed my thoughts on this subject enough lol You already know I share most of the same views as you.

Plus keep in mind that this thread was created by Frank who hasn't been here near as long as we have. He hasn't been part of these religious debates in the past. What are we suppose to do roll our eyes and post links of the old threads? I'd rather engage in conversation.

This thread is the best distillation we've had on this topic.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

I have always found it interesting that Muslims pray to "Allah" which is just an Arabic word for "God". So really everyone is praying to "God". In my mind they are all praying to the same person/being or whatever. Things break down with how the different groups choose to interpret the bible and other historic writings and events.

Muslims believe that god sent us Moses as a prophet and for us to follow his teachings but man corrupted them. He then sent us Jesus as a prophet but man corrupted his teachings also. Then finally he sent us the last prophet Muhammed. We believe they are all from the same family tree and are related by blood.

We also believe John the Baptist was a prophet.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

I have always found it interesting that Muslims pray to "Allah" which is just an Arabic word for "God". So really everyone is praying to "God". In my mind they are all praying to the same person/being or whatever. Things break down with how the different groups choose to interpret the bible and other historic writings and events.

Muslims believe that god sent us Moses as a prophet and for us to follow his teachings but man corrupted them. He then sent us Jesus as a prophet but man corrupted his teachings also. Then finally he sent us the last prophet Muhammed. We believe they are all from the same family tree and are related by blood.

Exactly my point. The difference in those religions are just how the different groups interpret those kind of writings and events. How the different groups interpret what was written and what happened.

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

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Wolf, I appreciate the passion of your argument and it's very interesting. The concept of man having DNA that somehow gives him knowledge of some type of "living God." However, and I speak for myself here, I haven't seen anything approaching logic in man's behavior throughout his existence. I agree with Winston Churchhill. "Man will do the right thing once he has exhausted every other possibility." That said, those societies that are fundamental in their beliefs have proven to be dangerous. From the "Salem witchcraft" era to present day Muslims who, though Koranic teachers, believe a woman who is raped must suffer death to perserve the reputation of their family. Also, when you say that every century of man's existence has been filled with religious faith due to this DNA, I must say that, though interesting and thought provoking, I disagree. Throughout history, the leaders of religion have not believed in the Gods they have advertised. Rather, they have used these Gods to keep people in fear. You sound like a learned individual and you know of what I speak. Man's reactions, I do not believe, cannot be evidence of anything supernatural. Now, I have faith but that faith is not based on feeling but logic. In an infinite universe, I think the concept that the only life exists on a planet so small (Earth), it might as well not even exist, is insane. If there is other life, then there may other ways of creating life, forms of life (after life for example),ect. I think the only emperical evidence we have of this is the hypothesis itself. It's a helluva an educated guess and I believe it to be correct. I don't know that it's correct.

I'm an atheist bro. I believe we evolved faith in the super natural as a coping, organization and defense mechanism. I didn't argue that there is some gene that proves God exists. I lost you somewhere in this discussion. Re-read what I said.

Think about what you said - the leaders. The leaders don't comprise the entire population, but rather .01%.

Small, tiny exceptions to the rule prove nothing, except in this case that the leaders of these faiths don't believe either. This validates my reasoning that religion specifically is an evolved organizational tool. In ancient Egypt for example the pharaohs took power because they figured out through science and rationality when the floods would come, and then came to the people and claimed they caused them.

Egypt goes on to become one of the most successful empires and societies in history, and clearly a selective advantage goes to those who believe and uphold the religious status quo. Those that didn't would be killed sooner. Thereby passing on more genes into the human genome that support mass-faith and mass-religion.

Religion has further ingrained itself into our existence by driving evolution.

I midsunderstood your DNA argument. No harm. No foul. Interesting stuff. I think it's an interesting theory. I would support it.

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

We're there because the whole country believes in the same fairy tale. A large portion of the religious right supports nation building in the Mid-east as part of God's plan.

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

The scary thing is you believe that all GW did was clasp his hands together and pray to 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

The scary thing is you believe that all GW did was clasp his hands together and pray to 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.

It is a known fact that he publicly stated he spent a week at his ranch praying for guidance on Iraq.

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

The scary thing is you believe that all GW did was clasp his hands together and pray to 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.

It is a known fact that he publicly stated he spent a week at his ranch praying for guidance on Iraq.

What was everyone else doing? Waiting by the phone for GW's religious breakthrough? Plenty of other people are involved in every decision, hoping and praying wasn't the ONLY thing going on.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

The scary thing is you believe that all GW did was clasp his hands together and pray to 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.

It is a known fact that he publicly stated he spent a week at his ranch praying for guidance on Iraq.

What was everyone else doing? Waiting by the phone for GW's religious breakthrough? Plenty of other people are involved in every decision, hoping and praying wasn't the ONLY thing going on.

So you don't have a problem with the President of the United States asking himself for advice on whether or not to invade Iraq. You have no problem with that at all?

I'm more concerned about the Zionist neo-cons and the guidance they gave him.

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Thomasdrrn09 wrote:

The scary thing about religion is that we spent 8 years under a man who believed in a fairytale. Maybe if he didn't pray about iraq as much and actually learned about their culture the whole situation would have turned out differently.

The scary thing is you believe that all GW did was clasp his hands together and pray to 8lb 6oz baby Jesus.

It is a known fact that he publicly stated he spent a week at his ranch praying for guidance on Iraq.

What was everyone else doing? Waiting by the phone for GW's religious breakthrough? Plenty of other people are involved in every decision, hoping and praying wasn't the ONLY thing going on.

So you don't have a problem with the President of the United States asking himself for advice on whether or not to invade Iraq. You have no problem with that at all?

That isn't what I said. I said it is naive to believe that US-Iraq situation relied on the prayers of 1 man. To think that Bush's religious beliefs was the sole or even primary reason is just naive IMO.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I'm more concerned about the Zionist neo-cons and the guidance they gave him.

So you believe that Zionists rule the world?

No, I believe they rule America.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

No, I believe they rule America.

Damn, we agree on something important. This doesn't mean I like you though

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."

Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.