Randy Couture vs James Toney- Fight Predictions and Analysis

Randy's a smart fighter, he will shoot in such a way that Toney doesn't have a chance to land a clean shot to the head. I see no way that Toney can win this fight unless Couture is a dumbass and tries to stand with him at any point.

Couture goin' to sleep. Shit Toney fixin to kill a motha fucka with them 4 oz gloves

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Dana White Kiss My Ass I knocked out the hugger

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I am hoping that Randy wears him out over the course of the first round, by some optimal lay and pray, forcing James to carry Randy's extra weight. So tired he can barely lift his hands and Randy KO's him standing in the 2nd. I would do it just to be a smart ass motherfucker and make MMA look better than boxing to the boxing guys.

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

I am hoping that Randy wears him out over the course of the first round, by some optimal lay and pray, forcing James to carry Randy's extra weight. So tired he can barely lift his hands and Randy KO's him standing in the 2nd. I would do it just to be a smart ass motherfucker and make MMA look better than boxing to the boxing guys.

I don't care how tired Toney gets... If Randy stands up and boxes with him, he is an idiot and he's going to get caught.

The guy boxes for 12 rounds in a championship fight... 1 round in MMA is not going to do him in from fatigue.

If he grapples with Randy for even 2 min he will be tired as shit and running on empty. Take that to the bank. It is a entirely different kind of cardio when grappling. James Toney couldn't go 5 min in a grappling match.

Totally disagree.

2 minutes of MMA grappling is not going to wear you out as much as a 36 minute championship boxing match. Per minute, sure MMA is more fatiguing. But if you can box for 12 rounds.... a few minutes of wrestling isn't going to put you on empty.

Either way, if Randy stands up with Toney, regardless of how tired he thinks he is, he is an idiot and he will get caught with a counter punch. Randy better not let that pride get in the way. If he starts thinking about "I'll show these boxers we can KO them standing up!" -- He is going to end up with egg on his face.

victor879 wrote:

Totally disagree.

2 minutes of MMA grappling is not going to wear you out as much as a 36 minute championship boxing match. Per minute, sure MMA is more fatiguing. But if you can box for 12 rounds.... a few minutes of wrestling isn't going to put you on empty.

It's OK, you just don't know any better. Toney can't grapple for even 5 min, that is just a fact of life. Choose not to believe it if you want but 5 min of grappling will tire James out more then 20 min of boxing. Don't believe me? Go ahead and find some people that train wrestling and roll with them for just 2 rounds and get back to me. James Toney couldn't grapple for 1 round without being completely gassed and I would bet my life on that, no joke.

I did wrestling in High School. Again, a few minutes on the mat does not equal 36 minutes of championship boxing.

Anyway you slice it.... 5 minutes of cardio does not out-do 36 minutes of cardio. Even if that 1 round of MMA is worth 6+ rounds of boxing as you said (20 minutes), that still doesn't mean he'd be on empty if he is capable of fighting 12 rounds.

12 rounds = 36 minutes of throwing punches, body movement, and getting hit. That wears you out.

Just keeping it real. Yes, MMA is more fatiguing per minute. But 1 round is 1 round. 5 minutes of strenuous exercise does not replace 36 minutes of strenuous exercise.

MMA does not take 7 times the amount of energy as boxing does. That is essentially what you are saying. Both sports require a lot of stamina.

Sorry bro, you are sadly mistaken. Don't get MMA and straight grappling mixed up, I'm saying a straight up grappling match. MMA is not just grappling.
Seriously James Toney can't go 5 min of grappling, to think anything otherwise is just being straight up ignorant.
Don't get things twisted and think I'm saying MMA is harder then boxing, that isn't what you should take away from what I am saying. But grappling is more tiring then boxing.
If you really were a high school wrestler you should know damn well that grappling shape is not the same as regular cardio. You can run a damn marathon but that doesn't mean you can grapple for 3 rounds.

I'm saying stamina = stamina.

There is noway you can convince me that 5 minutes in the cage takes more energy than an ENTIRE 12 ROUND BOXING MATCH. That is just silly. I also played soccer, and that cardio training carried over to the mat. No doubt about it. So I don't get your comment about stamina here. And it didn't matter what sport I played: football, basketball, whatever... I had massive stamina and it ALWAYS carried over to other sports.

If you have stamina, and are in shape, that's it. Sure, certain exercises will wear you out faster than others, but you'll still have massive stamina.

Yes, grappling is more tiring than boxing per minute. BUT NOT 7 TIMES MORE!! That is just a ridiculous statement. 1 minute of grappling is not equal to 7 minutes of boxing. That's basically what you are saying.

victor879 wrote:

I'm saying stamina = stamina.

There is noway you can convince me that 5 minutes in the cage takes more energy than an ENTIRE 12 ROUND BOXING MATCH. That is just silly. I also played soccer, and that cardio training carried over to the mat. No doubt about it. So I don't get your comment about stamina here.

If you have stamina, and are in shape, that's it. Sure, certain exercises will wear you out faster than others... but you'll still have massive stamina.

Come on man I wrestled and played soccer both. Granted I only wrestled 7-9th grade but I played soccer my entire life. They are 2 completely different kinds of cardio. If you truly don't understand that I have to question the level you competed at and the honesty of your statements.
Starting in shape helps yes, but you can run all fucking day and still not be prepared to wrestle an entire match. It is not the same when you are grappling. I don't know if I should just straight up call you a liar or just tell you are wrong and move on. We had kids that ran cross country that couldn't last on the mat. Stop thinking MMA stamina vs boxing stamina and listen to what I'm saying. MMA is not grappling, that is just 1 aspect of it. You can go run 5 miles but that doesn't mean you can wrestle for 10 min, just a fact my man. Believe what you want, just don't think I am in any way taking a shot at boxing.

You are taking a shot at boxing. You are saying 1 minute in the cage is worth just over 7 minutes of championship boxing. That is taking a shot at boxing absolutely.

Nobody is debating that wrestling/grappling is not more tiring than boxing on a per minute basis, but not to the extreme you are saying. You are going completely overboard. 5 minutes in the cage does not wear you out as much as a 12 round boxing match.

You are saying 1 round in the cage is equal to 12 rounds in boxing. If that isn't take a shot at boxing, than I don't know what is.

victor879 wrote:

You are taking a shot at boxing. You are saying 1 minute in the cage is worth just over 7 minutes of championship boxing. That is taking a shot at boxing absolutely.

Nobody is debating that wrestling is more tiring than boxing on a per minute basis, but not to the extreme you are saying. You are going completely overboard. 5 minutes in the cage does not wear you out as much as a 12 round boxing match.

You are saying 1 round in the cage is equal to 12 rounds in boxing. If that isn't take a shot at boxing, than I don't know what is.

Quit saying a cage, wrestling takes place on a mat. I don't know why you choose to take it as a shot at boxing? Insecure maybe? Or maybe you are just on this side of the fence expecting me to take a shot at boxing? I dunno whatever it is get over it and read the facts my man. I'm not talking MMA, I'm talking wrestling. Stop converting everything to cage time vs ring time. Spend 5 min grappling with and pushing around another man's weight is not the same sticking and moving. Two MMA guys can stay standing for 45 min and not be as tired as 2 MMA guys rolling on the mats in a back in for grappling match. That is just a fact.
To think cardio is cardio is cardio is just an extremely ignorant statement. Try holding someone down for 5 min or trying getting up off the mat for 5 min and see if it isn't more exhausting then boxing or just striking for 20 min. You stupid math does not carry over, it is like someone trying to use MMA math saying Andy Wang is better then Fedor, just stop it.

You forced me to do this bro but you are obviously lying about wrestling in HS. It's OK I use to hate it when kids would show up to 2 practices a week and wrestle 3 matches a year and call themselves wrestlers while we killed ourselves in the 100+ degree room putting in real work every single day. I was a cardio machine playing soccer but I would be about to die after stepping off of a mat. No way in hell you were a true wrestler or you wouldn't have any problem grasping the concept. No need to be fake just keep shit real.

MMA guys would be exhausted after boxing 45 minutes, just like anybody else would. They ARE human.

Again, because you keep dodging the question: How is saying that 1 round of MMA is just as tiring as 12 rounds of boxing, not taking a shot at boxing?

If I said 10 minutes of soccer is more tiring than an entire football game, I'd say I was taking a shot at football.

"Spend 5 min grappling with and pushing around another man's weight is not the same sticking and moving. "

Nobody is saying that. I am saying it doesn't take 7 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY, like you are claiming. That is just a ridiculous assertion to make in my opinion.

If you would have just said, grappling will take more energy than boxing and left it at that, no argument. But to imply that 1 round on the mat is going to take as much energy as 12 rounds in boxing is just absurd.

"If he grapples with Randy for even 2 min he will be tired as shit and running on empty."

That was your comment, not mine. Running on empty after 2 minutes? Come on dude, you need to be real.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

You forced me to do this bro but you are obviously lying about wrestling in HS. It's OK I use to hate it when kids would show up to 2 practices a week and wrestle 3 matches a year and call themselves wrestlers while we killed ourselves in the 100+ degree room putting in real work every single day. I was a cardio machine playing soccer but I would be about to die after stepping off of a mat. No way in hell you were a true wrestler or you wouldn't have any problem grasping the concept. No need to be fake just keep shit real.

I am keeping it real, the cardio does transfer over. Is wrestling tiring? YES! But god damn it man, you are making it seem other-worldly. It is a SPORT just like other sports. It requires different technique and muscle groups, but if you're in shape, you won't be on empty after ONLY 2 minutes. 2 minutes dude!?!??! That is NOTHING!

I was in that 100+ degree room dude. Big deal. Yes, you're tired as hell after practice... but how long was that? Exactly... a lot longer than 2-5 minutes. I didn't feel any more, or less tired after my soccer training. Just different style of training and different muscle groups.


Your assertion that 1 round on the mat, in the cage, whatever..... If you think that is equal or more exhausting than boxing for 12 rounds you are nuts.

You need to be real man and not use any weak as lies to back up your story. Don't call yourself a wrestler if you obviously have never put in any real work on a mat.
Can't you read? I'm not saying MMA guys have better cardio and box for any longer then a boxing guy. Stop getting shit twisted. Like I have said grappling cardio is not the same.
I have not for 1 second said MMA is 7 times more exhausting then boxing. I'm saying GRAPPLING is 10 times more tiring then striking of any kind. It is not the same.
1 round of wrestling on a mat(get that cage shit out of your head) is more exhausting then any form of striking for 5 rounds. Again man you are just making it painfully obvious that you have done no real work on a mat. "I did wrestling"? Yeah well I wrestled, I know getting up off your back is 10 times harder then running for 90 min on a soccer field.

LOL get out of here with that ignorant BS man, I'm not going to go back in forth with someone that is obviously lying about his credentials first off, what is the need for that? Your comments clearly contradict what you are saying. Anyone that has been through it can see right through what you are saying. No need to waste my time here. Keep it real bro, no need to exaggerate to prove a point.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

You need to be real man and not use any weak as lies to back up your story. Don't call yourself a wrestler if you obviously have never put in any real work on a mat.
Can't you read? I'm not saying MMA guys have better cardio and box for any longer then a boxing guy. Stop getting shit twisted. Like I have said grappling cardio is not the same.
I have not for 1 second said MMA is 7 times more exhausting then boxing. I'm saying GRAPPLING is 10 times more tiring then striking of any kind. It is not the same.
1 round of wrestling on a mat(get that cage shit out of your head) is more exhausting then any form of striking for 5 rounds. Again man you are just making it painfully obvious that you have done no real work on a mat. "I did wrestling"? Yeah well I wrestled, I know getting up off your back is 10 times harder then running for 90 min on a soccer field.

10 times harder? You are on crack, seriously. You can call me a liar all you want, but I wrestled. I also found your cross country comment funny, considering one of our cross country guys was a really good lightweight wrestler. One of our better ones to be honest, he was a little beast on the mat.

And now you backed off your original statement. Now you are saying 1 round of wrestling is only equal to 5 rounds in boxing? 3 minutes to 1 is more realistic. You had that ratio at 7:1 just a few posts ago.

You were saying 2 minutes was equal to 12 rounds earlier (36 minutes), then it went to 20 minutes, now you're down to 15 minutes. A little more realistic.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

You need to be real man and not use any weak as lies to back up your story. Don't call yourself a wrestler if you obviously have never put in any real work on a mat.
Can't you read? I'm not saying MMA guys have better cardio and box for any longer then a boxing guy. Stop getting shit twisted. Like I have said grappling cardio is not the same.
[b]I have not for 1 second said MMA is 7 times more exhausting then boxing. I'm saying GRAPPLING is 10 times more tiring then striking of any kind. It is not the same.[/b]
1 round of wrestling on a mat(get that cage shit out of your head) is more exhausting then any form of striking for 5 rounds. Again man you are just making it painfully obvious that you have done no real work on a mat. "I did wrestling"? Yeah well I wrestled, I know getting up off your back is 10 times harder then running for 90 min on a soccer field.

So 1 minute of grappling is as tiring as 10 minutes of striking? Dude.... ROFL Even just saying 1 minute is equal to 3 minutes wouldn't get any argument from me. But 10!!!

Sorry, I am not making up credentials. It's pretty clear you've never boxed though if you're making a statement like that.

Yeah James Toney can't wrestle with a HW wrestler for 2 min without being completely spent and gassed. I'd be willing to bet my life on that. Like I said I'm just wasting my time talking to you.

I take it you guys have never boxed.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I take it you guys have never boxed.

I'm not the one saying 1 minute of grappling is equal to 10 minutes of striking. LOL

Talk to this other clown. If he would have kept the ratio at 2:1 - 3:1, no argument. He is completely off the wall with his numbers though.

victor879 wrote:

GDPofDRC wrote:

I take it you guys have never boxed.

I'm not the one saying 1 minute of grappling is equal to 10 minutes of striking. LOL

Talk to this other clown. If he would have kept the ratio at 2:1 - 3:1, no argument. He is completely off the wall with his numbers though.

I wish you could watch James Toney do some wrestling sparring for just 5 min and see exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. I'm the clown? Your the one crossing over the MMA board lying about wrestling when it is obvious you never did any real wrestling in your life. I would have just left this alone if it was so painfully obvious you are straight up lying about ever hitting a mat doing real work. James Toney can't wrestle with a real HW wrestle for even 1 round, just a fact.