The WW division is in absolute shambles. There is a giant void where contenders should be.

With Kampmann, a fighter who doesn't have and won't ever have championship skills or ability, dominating the only real halfway promising contender out there, the division takes yet another hit and loses even more luster. I can't believe the free-pass the division gets. There is a tiny handfull of wellrounded fighters in the division. Even without GSP's dominance, the division would be the worst MMA has to offer(besides maybe HW)

Kampmann is not and never will be a contender.

I think you and alotta other guys underestimate Kampmann by alot.

I think I was the only one who picked Kampmann to win that fight. He is better than you give credit for.

Well you have four clear front-runners: Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

I say you make Condit vs Hathaway and then Fitch/Alves vs Kampmann. Then have the winners fight for a chance at the title.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Well you have four clear front-runners: Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

I say you make Condit vs Hathaway and then Fitch/Alves vs Kampmann. Then have the winners fight for a chance at the title.

I like that scenario. Kampmann used to be thought of as an up and coming contender. He's done it slowly, but he's finally back to contender status.

It's demographics Wolf. The HW division is the worst by a New York mile.

And Jake Shields is the next contender.

boomer sooner wrote:

And Jake Shields is the next contender.

GSP will quickly debunk the Jake Shields myth.

I like Jake, but who is Jake Shields? A guy with a year 2000 skillset, that's who. GSP will laugh off Jake Shields and land flashy TKD kicks for as many rounds as it takes.

Kampmann has lousy striking defense and will be concussed again numerous times in his UFC career. He isn't very quick, has relatively slow reflexes, and will never have the wrestling to hang with the division elite.

Only GSP, Alves and Koscheck could take their skills to other weight classes and find success.

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Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

Wow. This is the weakest this division has ever been. Although this has never been the greatest division anyway. There is a reason Matt Hughes dominated so long.

I think Jake more than anyone has done an exceptional job of combining great wrestling with BJJ. In that regard I think of him as an innovator, but his striking sucks and I think GSP wrecks him.

Jake Shields is just a Matt Hughes who hangs out with wiggers instead of farmers.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Well you have four clear front-runners: Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

I say you make Condit vs Hathaway and then Fitch/Alves vs Kampmann. Then have the winners fight for a chance at the title.

Exactly what I was saying last night, the fight makes perfect sense, infact I'll Sig bet that Condit vs. Hathaway is made

I think Fitch vs Thiago should get a shot, Kampmann would be destroyed in that fight with either of them

Not a fight I'd want to see but the winner of Hughes vs. Almeida vs. Kampmann based on where they'd all be at makes sense.

lol Kampman has always been solid all around and skills is something i've never questioned with him. His striking is very good, not the best in the division by any means though, and he is a very underrated grappler. I mean he out grappled Paulo Thiago and that is pretty damn impressive.

Have to give credit where it is deserved.

oggy420 wrote:

lol Kampman has always been solid all around and skills is something i've never questioned with him. His striking is very good, not the best in the division by any means though, and he is a very underrated grappler. I mean he out grappled Paulo Thiago and that is pretty damn impressive.

Have to give credit where it is deserved.

Exaxtly, Kampmann's base is actually kickboxing. His stand-up was definitely exposed by Daley, but whose wouldn't be? He should have played it smart and taken him to the ground immediately, but instead fought like he did against Drew McFedries except Daley was able to put his lights out before he could wise up and take it to the ground.

Fitch should get another title shot after he beats Thiago Alves and Jake Shields will be up shortly after that if he can get one or two wins upon his arrival.

Kampmann's problem is that he is at the end of the day a striker who is too robotic slow and easy to hit. Since he is a European striker type he probably will never develop the rest of his game to be able to handle the Koschecks, Fitches and GSP's of the division. If he can't hang with the Daley's or Alves', where can he go?

Good win, but expectations for Kampmann should be tempered.

If they put Hathaway in with Condit that's suicide, he's not ready for that jump in competition yet. Sanchez is a good fight but he was at a size disadvantage against Hathaway.

Who do they put him in with? Mike Pyle or a similar type vet? Condit aint no world beater, throw him in there. Hathaway would probably beat Condit anyhow.

I don't want to see Hathaway rushed too quickly, he's only a kid.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Well you have four clear front-runners: Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

I say you make Condit vs Hathaway and then Fitch/Alves vs Kampmann. Then have the winners fight for a chance at the title.

Yes. I didn't think Hathaway was that far up .. but I will take that scenario for sure.

The Sheilds sgining needs to be figured out aswell, becuase he probably won't want to sign unless he's getting a shot immediately.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

I like Jake, but who is Jake Shields? A guy with a year 2000 skillset, that's who. GSP will laugh off Jake Shields and land flashy TKD kicks for as many rounds as it takes.

Kampmann has lousy striking defense and will be concussed again numerous times in his UFC career. He isn't very quick, has relatively slow reflexes, and will never have the wrestling to hang with the division elite.

Only GSP, Alves and Koscheck could take their skills to other weight classes and find success.

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Condit, Kampmann, Hathaway, and the winner of Fitch/Alves.

Wow. This is the weakest this division has ever been. Although this has never been the greatest division anyway. There is a reason Matt Hughes dominated so long.

Was i hallucinating wolf, or were you saying Jake Shields was top 10 P4P a month or two ago?...now he's out of date and not a real contender.

All things I've said on Jake are true sir.


Jake is a rare one dimensional fighter. I listed him in the pound for pound because he is a 170 pound fighter dominating great 185 pound fighters. When I said he had a 2000 skillset I was overstating on purpose to illustrate how little of a challenge he represents to GSP. Eventually he will meet his kryptonite, and that will come in the form of a sprawl and strike fighter. I don't know if he could beat Thiago Alves or Josh Koscheck either. His hyperspecialized attack, while deadly, alone is dated and will eventually be his downfall.

There will sooner or later be an Aoki-Melendez moment where that will deflate his standings and reputation in the fight game just like that fight did.

Think of it this way; it is entirely possible Damian Maia could sub a few good LHW's with the skills he has right now, yet still lose in the same ways he has. With the right sequence of events Maia could have easily been a p4p fighter himself.

Jake is not 1-dimensional, he is 2-dimensional in a 3-dimensional sport, but his 2-dimensions are at a ridiculous level. Matt Hughes 2.0. Again, we have not seen someone that has been able to fuse his level of wrestling and BJJ so seamlessly. No striking though. GSP would be too much, but I wouldn't bet the farm on Koscheck or Fitch agaist Jake.