Dreams uses pearl harbor images to sell mma fued with SF

Wolfgangsta wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

Wolf you are an idiot. The Jews lived on that land also and were forced out many years ago. That fight has been going on for years.

LA you are dead on about the jealousy factor.

2000 years ago. So some celtic people are justified to roll back up in France and demand Gaul back?

Ya, people blow themselves up because they're jealous of our Iphones, fat bitches, teen moms and fountain drinks. You're absolutely pathetic BBC. You represent the kind of rank and file retard that our government depends on to maintain it's policy of aggression and oppression. I hope all of your kids get sent to Iraq or whatever war we have against insert third world country name, maybe then you'll rethink your Toby Keith world view. World view is a generous term.

People blow themselves up because America represents to them an absolute threat bent on destroying their existence and way of life. They have reason to believe that. There was no justification for throwing people off their lands and the creation of a hostile Israel from foriegn immigrants. That is Judeo-Christian imperialism.

there were Jewish people there as well, do you have no problem with them throwing and killing Jewish people out of the land?, but act like America is a tyrant for not letting little shits like Hezbollah go to town on innocent people

also wolf, you obviously dont like it, but you have to accept the fact that ALOT OF THE MAP CHANGED AFTER WORLD WAR 2 . Dont act like evil ol America just went out on a power trip giving these god dam jews (laying the sarcasim on pretty thick) some fucking country they didnt deserve.

I would love to know your opinion on Bosnia and Kosovo

a threat to our way of life (in my best FDR Voice)

they went out of their way to blow up 300 of our servicemen in the 80's, Reagan got the hell outta there (one of the smarter things he did imo)

your flat out wrong though on some of the stuff wolf, they do hate our way of life, how can you not accept that, their broads where fucking burka's and cant show their eyes, our way of life blows their fucking mind, and some of these radical islamists (big difference from a muslim) are a threat, they are constantly palnning and plotting, and a pretty big threat if they ever geat a WMD.

Not saying thats a reason to go to war cause they might get one, but we are always gonna side with Isreal, thats pretty damn clear, and you know what, Im with Israel over Hezbollah

I dont think we should let islamic nut bags take over countries that have favorable relationships with us. What good can come from it.

you say pearl harbor and MMA goes out the window


hahaahah

Blah blah, redneck pasters and George W Bush's will say they hate "our way of life", "our freedom" or that they hate Jesus, but then why are we targeted specifically when there are dozens of other countries who have a similar way of life or way that may be seen as even more immoral to a conservative Islamic person? They hate the entire industrialized worlds way of life, yet why are we alone the target?

You know why? Because in Japan or France or Germany or Sweden, unlike Americans like you, those people don't hate Muslims and their way of life.

You need to ask yourselfs some questions here going forward. You don't see the big picture.

America has made itself the target for terrorism. We have no possible moral highground without defaulting to religion or empty nationalist rhetoric. Ron Paul 2012.

obviously you didnt read, remember the London attacks?

I also dont hate muslims , i hate muslims that think killing me is a good part of religion

Earth to Wolf, Germany and Japan are protected by us and dont thinkthese nutbags are a good thing

Im also agree with Democrat more than republican (i dont vote) so trying to label me as a Bushie is retarded since I normally bash the guy,

your also dreaming if you think we made ourself a target, we have always been a target,

so was the first Trade Center bombing our fault

ya Ron Pual 2012, haaha, and Bradfords gonna win this years MVP

bliggidy blow

know lets wait for wolf to tell us how much greater the Romans were

Wolfgangsta wrote:

How so? What does radical Islam effect? Mostly other muslims in Islamic countries. They've managed zero domestic attacks since 911, and have killed exactly zero Americans in America.

How many civillians have been killed during the occupation of Iraq? The most powerful country in the world, that has a significant higher frag count during this contest, is less dangerous than what amounts to a criminal organization based in the third world how exactly?

Sorry combat but that is just rhetoric man.

Really, so Hassan didn't kill numerous soldiers at an American military base or does he not count for some odd reason? Aside from that, they haven't killed people because they've either been botching operations or getting caught before they could. It's not like they aren't trying too. You want to talk to me about rhetoric yet you make a crazy statement like that first one, now that is rich.

I garauntee you that suicide bombers and other insurgents that are mostly outside groups have killed more Iraqi civilians than the US military. To say the US has a higher "frag" count is incorrect if you are talking about civilian casualities. I don't know where you get your information from but I strongly suggest a new source because you are way off base.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Blah blah, redneck pasters and George W Bush's will say they hate "our way of life", "our freedom" or that they hate Jesus, but then why are we targeted specifically when there are dozens of other countries who have a similar way of life or way that may be seen as even more immoral to a conservative Islamic person? They hate the entire industrialized worlds way of life, yet why are we alone the target?

You know why? Because in Japan or France or Germany or Sweden, unlike Americans like you, those people don't hate Muslims and their way of life.

You need to ask yourselfs some questions here going forward. You don't see the big picture.

America has made itself the target for terrorism. We have no possible moral highground without defaulting to religion or empty nationalist rhetoric. Ron Paul 2012.

If you think we are the only country being attacked by radical islam you are fucking nuts thats really all there is too it and I'm a left leaning independent by the way.

I'm still pissed at Dream but I'm still watching the next one. I can't help it

The only other countries that are targets for radical Islam also put themselves in that situation. When was the last time Canada or Brazil or Norway was attacked? The UK follows us like a lapdog. Russia has it's own problems in Chechnya.

The US invasion of Iraq has resulted in ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND CIVILLIAN DEATHS. Some killed by cluster bombs landing in schoolhouses and by US servicemen, some have been killed by other Iraqis, but all have died thanks to a war for what? In 50 years future US presidents might call our own war there "evil". Iraq had nothing to do with 911, and no WMDs.

This isn't about terrorism, or even oil. This is a war of aggression to protect our ally Israel.

wow who would have thought this thread could take a turn like this? This topic was way over blown IMO. The debate going on now seems like it should be taking place somewhere else.

Def poor taste on Dreams part(though I have not seen the vid, is there any American soldiers fucking shit up segments?) but I'm not going to get too up in arms about. Again poor taste, but I don't see ill intent.

Oh and with Diaz beating Mach, SF is now like 5-0 vs Dream.

I think they've won a matchup or two at least haven't they?

I tend to think that overall Dream, Sengoku, and SF are on the same level talentwise, but looking at Sengoku and how Dream owned them at NYE and how SF has been destroying Dream, it makes you wonder.

I still believe these three promotions by in large have UFC level talent. I don't mean they have a roster full of contenders, but that they have a roster full of guys that would feel right at home on a UFC undercard or a UFN event.

wolf must not realize where the hell London is located

Birdofthad wrote:

wolf must not realize where the hell London is located

What makes you say that? Either discuss boxing or MMA from before Pride existed because you're out of your depth. The UK follows us like a lapdog. England has brought it on themselves just like we have. You do understand that England's foriegn policy in terms of this debate is mearly a proxy of ours right?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

wolf must not realize where the hell London is located

What makes you say that? Either discuss boxing or MMA from before Pride existed because you're out of your depth. The UK follows us like a lapdog. England has brought it on themselves just like we have. You do understand that England's foriegn policy in terms of this debate is mearly a proxy of ours right?

waaah waaah waaa wolf says there has been no domestic terrorism since 9-11 then wants to back track and get personal

ahahah

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The only other countries that are targets for radical Islam also put themselves in that situation. When was the last time Canada or Brazil or Norway was attacked? The UK follows us like a lapdog. Russia has it's own problems in Chechnya.

The US invasion of Iraq has resulted in ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND CIVILLIAN DEATHS. Some killed by cluster bombs landing in schoolhouses and by US servicemen, some have been killed by other Iraqis, but all have died thanks to a war for what? In 50 years future US presidents might call our own war there "evil". Iraq had nothing to do with 911, and no WMDs.

This isn't about terrorism, or even oil. This is a war of aggression to protect our ally Israel.

Then you would admit you were wrong in saying the US was the only country targeted considering you yourself just named multiple countries besides the US and the list is a lot bigger than that. I'm glad we got that out of the way. As for the 100K estimates, would you deny that druing Saddam's reign he killed hundereds of thousands more than that? Relatively speaking the death count of Iraqi civilians by US troops is NOTHING compared to those of the insurgents or Saddams regime so I fail to see your point. Considering you seem to be blaming everything on our relationship with Israel, can I ask, are you an Anti-Semite?

If anyone wants this thread moved let me know, I'll move it.

So being anti-Israel automatically means I hate Jews combat?

This is how the media and the government colors the debate and gets away with this. Either we allow Israel to commit warcrimes and attrocities or we're nazis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bird, you're using manipulative tactics. Fine, I'll amend what I said to include the UK, who has had it's flags burned alongside ours by Islamists for 50 years. However, I don't live in the UK, so when you say "domestic terrorism" I assume you mean the United States. An attack in the UK is "foriegn terrorism" from my perspective. You live in Scotland? You like that your government does whatever we do just because we do it? Why hasn't Denmark been attacked?

Bird, I could name you a dozen countries in the last 15 years that have commited similar or worse crimes, why aren't we invading those countries?

You believe it is America's job to save the world? What a sickening imperialist view that is. I'm sure you don't mean any ill intent but the fact you've been convinced that that is the right thing to do is just disturbing to me. I have white trash neighbors who let their kids run around at night with little supervision and probably expose them to abusive situations and alcoholism, but that doesn't mean I need to rush up in there, kill the father and take his kids and try to raise them. Not my problem.

I don't buy into the world police bit. America has it's own problems, we don't need to be going around FUCK YA policing the motherfuckin world ya.

I wish we would become more isolationist again in terms of our foriegn policy. If Israel wants to run over Palestinian brats with tanks and blow up entire apartment complexes because 2 units have possible terror links, fine. If Hezbollah or Hamas wants to shoot rockets, mortars, or suicide bomb a Pizza parlor in Israel, fine. Not our problem.

So Combat, I expect you'd be in favor of a full campaign in the Sudan right? Radical Islam has killed quite literally millions there during and since Saddam.

Oh wait, not near Israel, blacks are the victims, not Jews, who gives a fuck about them right?

CombatSports4Life wrote:

If anyone wants this thread moved let me know, I'll move it.

Hell....don't move it, just delete it.

Yeah this thread must be moved at the very least.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Yeah this thread must be moved at the very least.

As soon I realized this was 5 pages, I knew it had turned into a political shit-slinging fest with at least one asshole spouting anti-Israel/American imperialist douchebaggery.

I'm glad (not really) Wolfy didn't disappoint.

KrazyHorseBennett wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Yeah this thread must be moved at the very least.

As soon I realized this was 5 pages, I knew it had turned into a political shit-slinging fest with at least one asshole spouting anti-Israel/Amerivan imperialist douchebaggery.

I'm glad (not really) Wolfy didn't disappoint.

This thread wasn't even worth making IMO. I read about it on mmamania but it was a complete overreaction from the begining. The first page was all that needed to be said. There was no doubt that this thread was going to make a turn, I think the OP made a mistake by posting it. But anyways this needs to stop or be moved to the trash.