Cruiserweight or Flyweight?

Which weight class would you rather see open up?

125 and below or 206-235.

There isn't enough depth at HW or LHW to justify splitting up the classes and the fighters both weight classes would lose, and there is no proof 265 needs split up. The age of 220 HWs is allegedly over due only to losses by Couture and Mir. I need more evidence than that.

125 would allow small BWs to compete in a more reasonable weight class. A guy from the debut of AldovsFaberFC was a natural 125'r, and so is BW stalwart Joseph Benavidez.

Cruiserweight without a doubt. They could easily fill it with huge names with all the smaller HWs and larger LHWs that don't wanna cut 40 pounds.

LHWs
Ortiz
Griffin
Liddell
Couture
Badar
Jones
Vera
Coleman

HWs
Fedor
Cain
Arlovksi
Kimbo
Walker
dos Santos
Big Nog
Schaub

I'd rather see 125 and below. You'd see some fast-paced exciting fights.

If you made a 265 division solely because of the Carwins and Lesnars of the world, you'd be doing the whole heavyweight division a disservice. Like you said, it isn't nearly deep enough to sustain the division.

A move like that would leave you having to actually raise the heavyweight limit to 300 or something like that in order to give it depth. And that would lower the skill bar since you'd now have every fat, sloppy ex-college lineman/current bouncer getting into the game for "teh phat lootz".

Both

Flyweight.

Crusierweight is only nice in theory. If I ever used to support the idea, I hate it now. It would be a complete catastrophie in practice. Imagine how bad it would fuck up the two current divisions that book end it. It would make the actual HW division absolutely unwatchable as well.

Lesnar and Carwin are exceptions to the rule(and honestly neither has even faced a good crusierweight fighter yet besides a 45 year old Couture)

Cain V, Junior, Fedor, Werdum, Arlovski all leave HW for CW.

Who would the HW top ten be then? A top 25 would likely include freakshows.

Stefan Struve would be top-5. YUCK.

I think in a few years it'll be more needed.


HW would still have Mir, Carwin, Lesnar, Nelson, Rogers, Overeem, Barnett?, Big Foot, Timmy, Pugz, Dufee, and more I'm forgetting.

Can you imagine Joey Beltran and Tim Hague being in the top 15 in their divisions? That could happen if it was to be divided. At least we wouldn't be stuck with that fight on our cards, though.

No cruiserweight

cruiserweight, we will see more and more big huge guys entering the sport. And it's not just the top of the UFC where we see huge guys, the sf title fight next week will see 2 guys who fight around that 265 mark.

I just don't see the point of the 60 lb window at heavy while no other division exceeds 20.

Maybe it doesn't need to happen right now, but I think at some point it will have to.

Take boxing's word for it when they say exciting combat sport athletes of that size are rare.

Meanwhile boxing goes all the way down to like what, 111 pounds?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Take boxing's word for it when they say exciting combat sport athletes of that size are rare.

Meanwhile boxing goes all the way down to like what, 111 pounds?

Boxing's hwy division right now is being dominated by the Klitschko's brothers whose size is very much a part of their success. Not too mention Valuev.

Boxing also has a million different weight divisions and an open ended hwy div. some of what they do is cool, some of it, not so much.

And in MMA the wrestling factor makes weight all the more important.

The Kilts are dominant because the Boxing HW division is at an all-time low

CW division in MMA would fill up quick and over time so would the HW divisiion, ud also get amazing Superfights between CW and LHW and CW and HW

NCAA wrestling HW division is 211-264.

Crusierweight would make HW impossible to watch. The only good HW during the 2000s would have been what, Tim Sylvia? All the Pride legends would be crusierweight guys really.

Crusierweight is a horrible idea.

The divisions would fill up quick with horrible fighters. If Brett Rogers and Shane Carwin can walk right into title fights with Lesnar, Mir, Overeem and Fedor off the jobsite with their timecard, hard hat and lunchbox in hand under the current system, imagine how horrific the divisions would be then.

HW would be a joke.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

The divisions would fill up quick with horrible fighters. If Brett Rogers and Shane Carwin can walk right into title fights with Lesnar, Mir, Overeem and Fedor off the jobsite with their timecard, hard hat and lunchbox in hand under the current system, imagine how horrific the divisions would be then.

HW would be a joke.

but Rogers, Carwin etc walk into title fights under the current situation. Current situation allows a guy like Brock reign over a division while much more skilled fighters who weigh 40 lbs less stand little chance.

Bro Carwin is legit, same with Brock except it

Who has Brock reigned over exactly? Randy Couture? Frank Mir? Heath Herring? He has five fucking fights career including one loss, while 230 pound Fedor destroys 265 pound guys on the regular. Brock has never fought a good crusierweight his entire career short of a 45 year old knockout prone Couture, who still managed to hold his own in the wrestling department and was possibly winning the fight until he lost via degraded chin.


The Klitz brothers dominate because they are good by the way.


Declaring the blown up LHW HW dead this soon is a bit premature don't you think?

LA you are missing the point. I know they are legit. That is the problem. The HW division is already so weak and void of good fighters that guys waltz into the top ten with skillsets that alone would have them outside the top 50 in other weight classes.

Cruiserweight supporters - name the top ten true HW's. Go.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Who has Brock reigned over exactly? Randy Couture? Frank Mir? Heath Herring? He has five fucking fights career including one loss, while 230 pound Fedor destroys 265 pound guys on the regular. Brock has never fought a good crusierweight his entire career short of a 45 year old knockout prone Couture, who still managed to hold his own in the wrestling department and was possibly winning the fight until he lost via degraded chin.


The Klitz brothers dominate because they are good by the way.


Declaring the blown up LHW HW dead this soon is a bit premature don't you think?

Like I said it may not need to happen now, but as bigger and bigger guys come to MMA, the need will be that much more evident.

And the Klitz are good because they use their reach very to keep smaller opponents at bay, and bludgeon them from distance.

I will change my answer though. Currently cruisers have a place to fight and make $$$ even if the road to a title sees them at a disadvantage at least they have a venue that 120 lb guys don't have.

But I still think in time the will need to raise the hwy limit and introduce a cruiser division.

In three years when Carwin has been retired by good fighters and Lesnar has been destroyed by Fedor and Cain twice each, not sure if there will be much support for cruiserweight.

Klits are fighting in a weak era

The Klitz would hang with the old era of fighters. Klitz hate is reserved for American racist boxing elitists who think black fighters should dominate HW and the lack their of means HW must suck imo. But that is a different debate.