Fitch vs. DW

I had no problem with what Dana said at the press conference. He's absolutely right, if Fitch really wanted the belt he would fight Koscheck. Dana's tired of these guys not wanting to fight guys in their camp and I am too. This isn't a team sport, period. If two guys are at the top of the division and they won't fight because they're in the same camp...it hurts the division and the organization. Dana isn't trying to be Fitch's buddy, he's trying to run an organization. It sounds like Dana's going to really start pushing this issue and I'm glad to see him doing it. I'd love to see Fitch and Kos in the cage together. There's no reason they can't fight and still be friends after.

There are plenty of bad things about Dana, but this isn't one of them.

I think Dana is being a bitch here. He is taking it out on Fitch and Kos because he is tired of it happening everywhere. IMO Fitch already earned his shot, he doesn't need to beat the Daley vs Kos winner. If Danna wanted to he could give Fitch a title shot and have Kampmann vs Thiago winner fight Kos-Daley winner.
If he wants to put his foot down then tell Spider he can't go to LHW or HW until he fights Machida...assuming he wins just like DW is assuming Kos wins.
Dana is just being a bitch here because GSP vs Fitch 2 would be a hug fest and he wants new blood at the top.

Bigs03 wrote:

I had no problem with what Dana said at the press conference. He's absolutely right, if Fitch really wanted the belt he would fight Koscheck. Dana's tired of these guys not wanting to fight guys in their camp and I am too. This isn't a team sport, period. If two guys are at the top of the division and they won't fight because they're in the same camp...it hurts the division and the organization. Dana isn't trying to be Fitch's buddy, he's trying to run an organization. It sounds like Dana's going to really start pushing this issue and I'm glad to see him doing it. I'd love to see Fitch and Kos in the cage together. There's no reason they can't fight and still be friends after.

There are plenty of bad things about Dana, but this isn't one of them.

Koscheck is fighting Daley. How the fuck is he going to fight Fitch in the first place? Are you expecting Fitch to seat for months just to fight the winner of this fight?

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

I had no problem with what Dana said at the press conference. He's absolutely right, if Fitch really wanted the belt he would fight Koscheck. Dana's tired of these guys not wanting to fight guys in their camp and I am too. This isn't a team sport, period. If two guys are at the top of the division and they won't fight because they're in the same camp...it hurts the division and the organization. Dana isn't trying to be Fitch's buddy, he's trying to run an organization. It sounds like Dana's going to really start pushing this issue and I'm glad to see him doing it. I'd love to see Fitch and Kos in the cage together. There's no reason they can't fight and still be friends after.

There are plenty of bad things about Dana, but this isn't one of them.

Koscheck is fighting Daley. How the fuck is he going to fight Fitch in the first place? Are you expecting Fitch to seat for months just to fight the winner of this fight?

exactly, and that is where the bitch part comes in. Now if both guys are available and coming off big wins at the same time then maybe I see it. But DW is just being a bitch because he doesn't want to see a title rematch let alone 2.

I disagree. Anderson isn't even fighting in his division. Three guys at the top or near the top of the WW division won't fight each other because they're from the same camp.

I agree that he should attack the issue with Anderson also, but technically Anderson and Machida are in different divisions. And this whole Brazillians don't want to fight Brazilians is fucking horrible. IMO it's perfectly fine for Dana to attack all of them.

What Dana said at the press conference wasn't that big of a deal. He's tired of dealing with the shit and all he did was suggest a fight between Fitch and Kos and Fitch immediately rejected the fight. If he doesn't want to take the fight then I agree he doesn't want the belt that bad.

I know I don't care to see Fitch get his ass beat by GSP again. I'd much rather see Fitch and Kos.

No I don't expect Fitch to sit, however, it was just a comment by Dana at a press conference. The issue here is that these guys won't fight each other, not whether they have a fight scheduled or not. Dana said he's trying to make the fight so yeah, I guess if Dana wants to make the fight that bad then Fitch will sit.

I agree that they could fight and still be friends and if they were still 2 and 3 I would understand. But to question Fitch's hunger now to fight his friend when Fitch already beat the guy who beat his friend makes no since to me. I too think in some case guys in the same camp have to fight, but Dana didn't have to disrespect Fitch like that

I also think dana is taking his frustrations out on Fitch(not the first time this has happened), but not wholly comparable to the spider situation in that spider doesn't have the 205 title as a goal. And why would fighting Machida be a prerequisite for fighting at hwy?

IMO how Fitch will fair vs GSP is irrelavent. If you earn a shot then you earn a shot. I don't see how anyone can thing Fitch hasn't earned another shot. He is 12-1 in the UFC with his only loss being a dec loss to GSP.

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch. He just made a comment because Fitch was turning down a fight. I'm not even sure Dana was really thinking about the order of things right now but he wants those guys to fight and Fitch yet again dismissed the idea. I'm just saying I can see why Dana said it and I don't have a problem with it at all.

There's no formula for who should get the next title shot. If Dana decides Fitch needs to beat Kos first then that's what has to happen for Fitch to get another shot at GSP.

Kos is probably a tougher fight for Fitch than anyone he's fought since losing to GSP. I don't know why people are getting so pissed about what Dana said.

Look, Dana has a job to do and he is doing it. His job is to keep the UFC as the number 1 organization in the sport, make the best fights possible, and make a profit for all the partners involved.

You can dump on DW all you want, because I hear it all the time. "He doesn't pay the fighters enough!" He is spending a hell of a lot more than SF and nobody pisses on Scott Coker's head and his organization gets money from CBS and Showtime, plus the gate. "He is disrespecting Fedor!" Fedor and M-1 took a lot less money and got a lot less international exposure signing with SF and the alleged #1 HW in the world is fighting Werdum, who got beat by JDS and I am supposed to get pumped up by that fight like Brock/Carwin?

I think he is the best in the business and yeah occassionally he does shit that pisses me off, but them so does Al Davis, doesn't mean I am not a fan.

This wouldn't be an issue if Fitch wasn't the most bland and boring fighter to ever wear four ounce gloves.

"man he is a grinder" is kind of like "he is a game manager" a compliment that is really an insult. All it means is you're an unathetic whiteboy with heart, lacking a dynamic game.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This wouldn't be an issue if Fitch wasn't the most bland and boring fighter to ever wear four ounce gloves.

"man he is a grinder" is kind of like "he is a game manager" a compliment that is really an insult. All it means is you're an unathetic whiteboy with heart, lacking a dynamic game.

exactly, Fitch vs GSP would just a grind it out, "boring" fight. Dana has no interest in that which is too bad since Fitch has earned his 2nd shot by doing nothing but win everytime he fights.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

This wouldn't be an issue if Fitch wasn't the most bland and boring fighter to ever wear four ounce gloves.

"man he is a grinder" is kind of like "he is a game manager" a compliment that is really an insult. All it means is you're an unathetic whiteboy with heart, lacking a dynamic game.

exactly, Fitch vs GSP would just a grind it out, "boring" fight. Dana has no interest in that which is too bad since Fitch has earned his 2nd shot by doing nothing but win everytime he fights.

The first fight wasn't boring. Fitch wouldn't be able to make it boring against GSP. He would get his ass beat again, then he'd go back down and grind out boring wins against lesser fighters. Kos, at least, would be able to wrestle with Fitch and possibly nullify his best laid plans. I think it's a fight that needs to happen and it would test Fitch's ability to beat a really good wrestler. Obviously, he couldn't do shit to GSP and I bet Kos would find some success against Fitch if he used his wrestling.

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch.

Yes he was he went out of his way to discredit Fitch as the real number one contender. He could have said "he's in the mix I would still want to see him fight Kos but he's in the mix" but no he attacked Fitches hunger and drive as a fighter. He meant to disrespect him.

MMAEYES wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch.

Yes he was he went out of his way to discredit Fitch as the real number one contender. He could have said "he's in the mix I would still want to see him fight Kos but he's in the mix" but no he attacked Fitches hunger and drive as a fighter. He meant to disrespect him.

Have you watched it? Dana did say he was in the mix, then he said he wanted him to fight Kos and Fitch just turned it down right then and there. Only after that did Dana say that he must not want the title that bad.

MMAEYES wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch.

Yes he was he went out of his way to discredit Fitch as the real number one contender. He could have said "he's in the mix I would still want to see him fight Kos but he's in the mix" but no he attacked Fitches hunger and drive as a fighter. He meant to disrespect him.

exactly, no question he was directly trying to disrespect Fitch.

Bigs03 wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch.

Yes he was he went out of his way to discredit Fitch as the real number one contender. He could have said "he's in the mix I would still want to see him fight Kos but he's in the mix" but no he attacked Fitches hunger and drive as a fighter. He meant to disrespect him.

Have you watched it? Dana did say he was in the mix, then he said he wanted him to fight Kos and Fitch just turned it down right then and there. Only after that did Dana say that he must not want the title that bad.

Fitch was saying how he thought he should get the next shot. Dana said yeah he's in the mix but will you fight Kos? He knew what the answer was he just wanted to discredit him like I said, and it looks like he did a good job convincing you Bigs

I agreed with what Dana had to say

MMAEYES wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

MMAEYES wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Dana wasn't trying to disrespect Fitch.

Yes he was he went out of his way to discredit Fitch as the real number one contender. He could have said "he's in the mix I would still want to see him fight Kos but he's in the mix" but no he attacked Fitches hunger and drive as a fighter. He meant to disrespect him.

Have you watched it? Dana did say he was in the mix, then he said he wanted him to fight Kos and Fitch just turned it down right then and there. Only after that did Dana say that he must not want the title that bad.

Fitch was saying how he thought he should get the next shot. Dana said yeah he's in the mix but will you fight Kos? He knew what the answer was he just wanted to discredit him like I said, and it looks like he did a good job convincing you Bigs

Fitch has done enough to deserve a shot IMO, however, the issue I'm concerned with is fighters fighting guys that they train with or are friends with. I don't think Dana wanted to discredit Fitch. He didn't say anything about Fitch's boring fighting style or that Fitch didn't deserve a shot. All he said was that he won't fight Kos so he must not want a title shot as bad as he says he does. That's it, it wasn't meant to disrespect or discredit Fitch. It was a simple comment that I happen to agree with 100%.

Fitch wants the title...unless it means he has to fight his training partner. That's all Dana is saying.

Bigs, yeah but he is only saying that because he doesn't want to give both Fitch and Kos another shot. IMO he is just using this as an excuse. If Kos and Fitch were not training partners and they had not previously fought GSP then IMO they would not be treated this way. It would be simular to what they are doing at HW. They would give Fitch a shot and let Kos wait for the winner. I'm just saying if you take both fighters resume and put them to a different name, it would not be playing out the same way.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

Bigs, yeah but he is only saying that because he doesn't want to give both Fitch and Kos another shot. IMO he is just using this as an excuse. If Kos and Fitch were not training partners and they had not previously fought GSP then IMO they would not be treated this way. It would be simular to what they are doing at HW. They would give Fitch a shot and let Kos wait for the winner. I'm just saying if you take both fighters resume and put them to a different name, it would not be playing out the same way.

Agreed

Jon Fitch has no chance of beating GSP and is a boring fighter. If I were Dana I'd do everything in my power to ensure he never stinks up a GSP title defense again.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Jon Fitch has no chance of beating GSP and is a boring fighter. If I were Dana I'd do everything in my power to ensure he never stinks up a GSP title defense again.

Pretty fucked up when the #2 WW in the world can't get the shot he deserves. If he earns the shot then give him his fucking shot. Fitch earned his rematch. If he gets smashed by the Champ 2 times like Rich Franklin did then fine, never give him a shot again. Until then, give the man his fucking title shot!