Best fighter to come out of TUF

chorky777 wrote:

Ziggy116 wrote:

I see Forrest finally got the pull away vote. Personally I think he has to be the winner.

How do you ignore his last fight? He lost to another person on the poll. Rashad's clearly better than Forrest. And I didn't even vote for Rashad. I think Kenny is the best overall fighter out of all those guys, but Forrest? Really?

I'm not ignoring his last fight...but since Randy lost to Brock does that mean Brock is the better fighter???? Come on now

I agree with that, Rashad beat Forrest, he finished him, he therefore has to be voted ahead of him

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I agree with that, Rashad beat Forrest, he finished him, he therefore has to be voted ahead of him

Sorry but I can't agree with that logic for determining who the best is.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

best wins
Forrest- Rampage and Shogun
Sanchez- Diaz and Karo(still good at the time)
Evans- Forrest and Chuck
Kenny- Huerta and Stout(I guess?)

Big difference in the names there

Some still might say Stevenson is a better win then Stout, eh tough call

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

best wins
Forrest- Rampage and Shogun
Sanchez- Diaz and Karo(still good at the time)
Evans- Forrest and Chuck
Kenny- Huerta and Stout(I guess?)

Big difference in the names there

Some still might say Stevenson is a better win then Stout, eh tough call

Do you think there's a big difference between Forrest and Rashad's wins?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

best wins
Forrest- Rampage and Shogun
Sanchez- Diaz and Karo(still good at the time)
Evans- Forrest and Chuck
Kenny- Huerta and Stout(I guess?)

Big difference in the names there

Some still might say Stevenson is a better win then Stout, eh tough call

yeah I know, I really didn't even think of it like that until you suggested making the list. I was kind of shocked by the lack of big names Kenny has beat. I guess he has just impressed by wining in decisive fashion. Forrest has the advantage IMO if you look at the list. Shogun and Chuck kind of even out because of where they both where at the time of the fight(Shogun no himself, Chuck on decline). But Forrest's win over Rampage gives him the edge.

Ziggy116 wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

I agree with that, Rashad beat Forrest, he finished him, he therefore has to be voted ahead of him

Sorry but I can't agree with that logic for determining who the best is.

Then what logic can you be using? They fought, head to head, Rashad TKO'd him, I hate Rashad but that's what happened. They both fought Tito, Rashad faired better in that fight, they both fought Jardine (Rashad on TUF), Rashad faired better in that aswell. Forrest is 4-3 in his last 7 fights, and really lost to Page.

What are you going by?

Yeah as a Kenny fan, he had a very mediiorce rise to this Title fight, he didn't have to go through Gray, Frankie, Griffin, Sherk ect...

Look, I'm a Page guy, you know that..but you can't just boldly say he lost to Page.

Do you think Brock is better than Randy? He beat him, head to head, Randy's record lately isn't quite as good as Brock's, so?

I think the Jardine/Tito arguement is a better one. You asked, opinion, who the best fighter from tuf is...I think since he was on the show, Forrest has done as much as anybody.

How about the fact that they both won the belt, then in their first defense got absolutely owned?

Ziggy116 wrote:

Look, I'm a Page guy, you know that..but you can't just boldly say he lost to Page.

Do you think Brock is better than Randy? He beat him, head to head, Randy's record lately isn't quite as good as Brock's, so?

I think the Jardine/Tito arguement is a better one. You asked, opinion, who the best fighter from tuf is...I think since he was on the show, Forrest has done as much as anybody.

How about the fact that they both won the belt, then in their first defense got absolutely owned?

I think Forrest earned a draw at best in that fight with Page, and I still have Page winning

IDK man, Brock is pretty good, if he keeps winning, he's just gonna keep backing up his past wins.

Yeah but Rashad TKO'd Forrest in the 2nd rd, Rashad lost to Machida, who is on a different level then the rest of the LHWs and could very likely go down as the best LHW ever.

I, of course, have Page winning...but the more I watch the fight I don't have a huge problem saying Forrest won. Although I freaked out when it happened.

Ummm...alright

I know man, just saying...neither of them could defend their belt.

Yeah it's cool, just making an argument, but I will never say Forrest won that, he got a draw at best IMO. Hope down the line they rematch and Page drops him, even though Forrest is the man too.

No I know...it's good to debate LA...that's the purpose of the board.

Yeah I hope Forrest beats Silva, wins his next fight, Page DESTROYS Rashad and they rematch for #1 contender. For me that would be a perfect scenario.

Forrest beat Rampage plain and simple.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Forrest beat Rampage plain and simple.

Agreed. I didn't even think it was close.

chorky777 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Forrest beat Rampage plain and simple.

Agreed. I didn't even think it was close.

Oh it was close, but still decisive for Forrest.

IDK I never thought Forrest won, thought he earned a draw at best, the 2nd wasn't even a 10-8, there have been a lot more dominant rds that weren't score 10-8 in other fights.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

IDK I never thought Forrest won, thought he earned a draw at best, the 2nd wasn't even a 10-8, there have been a lot more dominant rds that weren't score 10-8 in other fights.

Can you name one? I don't think you can. You realize Rampage literally landed no shots, right? You realize he never attempted a submission, a sweep, he never tried to get out from under Forrest, he just didn't do anything. He essentially pulled a Starnes, but he was on the ground.

exaggerating a bit are we?

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

exaggerating a bit are we?

Not at all. Watch the round. He did not do a thing. He covered up and hung on for his life.

With a 10-8 2nd is the way I see him getting draw, so...

chorky777 wrote:

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

exaggerating a bit are we?

Not at all. Watch the round. He did not do a thing. He covered up and hung on for his life.

I think this guys a forrest fan....

A year and a half later and I think things have changed a bit.

damn, no love for gray!!!

Yeah I think so. I'd have them like this-

1. Rashad Evans
2. Gray Maynard
3. Forrest Griffin
4. Kenny Florian
5. Diego Sanchez