Ultimate Fedor thread.

boomer sooner wrote:

For years people have pitted the pure and perfect Fedor against the evil/greedy UFC. Now that the UFC is starting to turn out to be right, it's just too hard for some to accept. It doesn't make sense in their world, even when it's not just hte UFC struggling with Fedor anymore. But no one has been able to refute your points arguing that Fedor hasn't exactly come clean on his career's direction so they seem to change the debate about whether or not he's a great fighter. Of course Fedor is the greatest HW, but if he continues this nonsense and the UFC fulfills its HW tournament, those days will be over in my mind.

This is what I am saying. I can't believe none of you can understand like Boomer did. Serious even when I was defending Fedor back in the day I wasn't as blind as you all.

captain organic wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

And what happens if Fedor comes to the UFC? Does he fight Brock 3 times in 2 years(kind of like what we very may well see in Brock vs Mir)?

If Mir vs Brock III does happen, does that kind of debunk the idea that the UFC heavy division is far better and deeper then the non ufc heavies?

I mean I like Cain, but has he beaten anyone who we think would be a worthwhile fight right now for Fedor? Same for Carwin, is he a more proven commodity then Overeem, Werdum or Grim?

After Brock beats up Mir again why not have him come fight Fedor in a SF sanctioned fight?

Love you 90% of the time, but this is by far the worst Captain. I don't even know where to start? I have to study for a bit anyways. I hope you take this back. I mean the fake hypotheticals based off Brock getting sick/surgery after a grudge match with Mir is a horrible analogy first off. I pray Ninja doesn't come back with something like this. What happened to some of you guys? It is like you are blind or in a Fedor coma. Ninja starts comparing Silva and saying something that didn't have to do with what I said. He is always top notch. Is this like an internet Punked episode? Am I dreaming?

What's the fake hypothetical? Is mir not favored to beat Carwin? And does the winner then not fight Brock? Will that not be the 3rd time Brock has faced Mir in 6 career fights?


As far as a Fedor coma goes. The UFC has a near monopoly, and has swung that ax heavily against fighters with little leverage, if Fedor wants to say "fuck you" to the UFC then Im not going to get too worked up about it.

FAKE HYPOTHETICAL is Brock fights Fedor three times. The fact that it could happen with Mir and Brock is because of the interim bout because of Brock getting sick/surgery. If Fedor just arrived in the UFC he would beat Brock once and move on to the next guy. You didn't get that?

And for the record, Brock vs Fedor III was a question(not a hypothetical) based off a hypothetical(and hypothetical's are by nature not real, and thus do not need to be paired with a word like fake) that has a very legit shot at happening.

Nope not at all. That is what us American's in the Midwest call a "Fake Hypothetical" It was a hypothetical that was made up and fake. See it was already hypothetical, then you made it fake. Talk all the English you want. I use the word ain't and you and the college professor are wrong if you say "fake hypothetical" shouldn't be used comparing what you said. You could take every english major and proffessor in the world and I would tell you all that you are stupid if you can't see why I said that and why it should be right. That goes for the rest of the board too. "Fake hypothetical" is mine and I will use it if you try to bring a dumb comparison like Cap did!

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

boomer sooner wrote:

For years people have pitted the pure and perfect Fedor against the evil/greedy UFC. Now that the UFC is starting to turn out to be right, it's just too hard for some to accept. It doesn't make sense in their world, even when it's not just hte UFC struggling with Fedor anymore. But no one has been able to refute your points arguing that Fedor hasn't exactly come clean on his career's direction so they seem to change the debate about whether or not he's a great fighter. Of course Fedor is the greatest HW, but if he continues this nonsense and the UFC fulfills its HW tournament, those days will be over in my mind.

Oh please..... If Fedor were retire today he would still be considered the greatest MMA fighter in history. If he were to fight Japaneses light weights for the rest of his career he would still be considered the best. For you to not consider him being the greatest HW ever because you have a personal grudge against him is just utter non sense. No one even has close to the resume he has at HW, except for Nog which he destroyed twice.

I really hate arguing in Fedor hater threads because it always turns into a mudslinging contest. The people who hate on Fedor are always the people who started watching MMA post Pride. So fucking what if he never fights in the UFC? He already cemented his legacy. He is still facing top HWs and has be for the past 8 years. If you don't think Overeem and Werdum are elite HWs, well your just ignorant. They have better resumes then most of the elite guys in the UFC now. I know this was said before, but Carwin, Brock, Cain, and JDS are no even close to being considered proven fighters. They are looking up to Fedor. It is not the other way around.

I agree with your first sentence Ninjason. The rest is wrong and it is Fedor jibberish. He wants to fight and he should fight the best since he is the best. What is wrong about that? Why does he continue to lie and put off fighting? That is why I am upset with the baddest man on the planet.

I won't even ;look at this thread anymore. Now you all are turning Boomers words into something he didn't mean. I do agree with Ninja now. Fedor threads are not worth it. Let him fight the scrubs in SF. I won't care about them anymore.

Alright, children. Open your text books to page 243. Today's lesson is on the word 'redundant'.

Fedor is the real lost son of Poseidon

Birdofthad wrote:

Fedor is the real lost son of Poseidon

Or Stalin

LOL That was a biased story for real. I had to comment. The end of the story made it sound like Fedor hasn't fought anyone since 2005. He did fight Grim and won.

So basically, it's the same story that was out 3 weeks ago with an opinion attached to it. You are really quick on the trigger are ya Dave Meltzer?

Only a blind Fedor hater could say Ninja's post was "Fedor jibberish" and he is "lying and putting off fighting" BBC. You're going to send this Fedor thread to the thrash too. This is what got the last one sent to the trash.

You've replaced Andrew, who has since morphed/been hammered into a legitimate person, as the resident anti-Fedor crazy at the forum.

I just like the whole "We were not promoted enough" angle. Makes sense though. All your hopes, dreams, and name are wrapped up in one person. Your 2nd best fighter just left you for greener pastures, claiming you never gave him money...I smell "Fail".

M-1 is commited to fighting to establish themselves as a world wide brand.

How established are they at home? Do they face local competition? Who else does MMA shows in mother Russia?

You know, M-1 might have a gripe if they feel they werent promoted enough...Keep in mind, that Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers was viewed by 25 million people worldwide. Strikeforce's CBS deal brought in a little over 1/5 of that audience. M-1 brought in the rest. So, i say they did a little more than just bring Fedor so i say Gus Johnson, Mauro Renallo and Frank Shamrock practically giving up on acknowledging M-1 about 5 minutes into the show and not promoting them really could cause a gripe since M-1 opened up so many markets for Strikeforce that they would not have had without the partnership. I mean, if i was not reading up on this sport everyday i would have thought M-1 Global was one of the sponsers based on the promotion they got on CBS, not one of the promoters.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

You know, M-1 might have a gripe if they feel they werent promoted enough...Keep in mind, that Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers was viewed by 25 million people worldwide. Strikeforce's CBS deal brought in a little over 1/5 of that audience. M-1 brought in the rest. So, i say they did a little more than just bring Fedor so i say Gus Johnson, Mauro Renallo and Frank Shamrock practically giving up on acknowledging M-1 about 5 minutes into the show and not promoting them really could cause a gripe since M-1 opened up so many markets for Strikeforce that they would not have had without the partnership. I mean, if i was not reading up on this sport everyday i would have thought M-1 Global was one of the sponsers based on the promotion they got on CBS, not one of the promoters.

Agreed.


I wonder if Fedor went to the UFC at the original Pride purchase at won the title, if people would say "he beat a washed up Mir, a 44 year old Couture, a rookie pro-wrestler in Lesnar with no real name opponents on record, a shot Nog, a Carwin w/ no real wins besides Gonzaga, while Josh Barnett, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, Alistair Overeem and all the real HW contenders fight outside the UFC."

Though I understand what you are saying, think you guys failed to acknowledge some things. M-1 didn't spend any money, they invested nothing. SF and CBS had at least 5 million involved in this show and the only thing M-1 brought was Fedor, but still collected half of all revenues. Now they are pissed because their name wasn't as strongly promoted? As far as the rest of the world viewership? It depends on the contracts, but nothing gets sold without CBS giving permission. Plus 25 million worldwide is not very impressive. If 10 million are in Indonesia how much money do you think they have to spend on Strikeforce products?

just as i expected:

"After the CBS show, we thought that the (Strikeforce) terms needed a little bit tweaking -- nothing major, just a little bit of tweaking. So, we had a round of negotiations with Strikeforce. Everything went positively. We're pretty much at the end. For us, it's really important that the M-1 Global brand is acknowledged on these co-promotion events. As much as the partners made a lot of effort to acknowledge the co-branding, the media basically picked up on the fact that it was Strikeforce and kind of forgot about everything else, which wasn't the most ideal for us."

-Evgeni Kogan, M-1 Global's Director of Operations

Wolfgangsta wrote:

KingsOwn19 wrote:

You know, M-1 might have a gripe if they feel they werent promoted enough...Keep in mind, that Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Rogers was viewed by 25 million people worldwide. Strikeforce's CBS deal brought in a little over 1/5 of that audience. M-1 brought in the rest. So, i say they did a little more than just bring Fedor so i say Gus Johnson, Mauro Renallo and Frank Shamrock practically giving up on acknowledging M-1 about 5 minutes into the show and not promoting them really could cause a gripe since M-1 opened up so many markets for Strikeforce that they would not have had without the partnership. I mean, if i was not reading up on this sport everyday i would have thought M-1 Global was one of the sponsers based on the promotion they got on CBS, not one of the promoters.

Agreed.


I wonder if Fedor went to the UFC at the original Pride purchase at won the title, if people would say "he beat a washed up Mir, a 44 year old Couture, a rookie pro-wrestler in Lesnar with no real name opponents on record, a shot Nog, a Carwin w/ no real wins besides Gonzaga, while Josh Barnett, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arlovski, Alistair Overeem and all the real HW contenders fight outside the UFC."

Then and 6 months from now that would be a different story. We know all the UFC top7 are more legit than the other SF fighters for the most part. I see what you are saying IF that happened.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Only a blind Fedor hater could say Ninja's post was "Fedor jibberish" and he is "lying and putting off fighting" BBC. You're going to send this Fedor thread to the thrash too. This is what got the last one sent to the trash.

You've replaced Andrew, who has since morphed/been hammered into a legitimate person, as the resident anti-Fedor crazy at the forum.

I didn't get that thread sent ot the trash can. Fedor did lie and he is putting off fighting. I mean fighting at the beginning of November and not fighting until July is putting off a fight to me. You mislead people so much Wolf. I didn't even comment on the Fedor thread until it came back. Nothing bad was said either. I am not even sure if I commented on it for real after it came back to the second page after a week. Then you moved it. If someone steps around why Fedor lied about numerous things and isn't going to fight for 9 months and talk about other things then I consider it jibberish, even if it is Ninja. If I said I like red. And you qoute me and start talking about something else then it is jibberish. It has nothing to do with what I said.

Fedor lied about this!
Qoute, who has fought who in the UFC? HUH????

Screw you Wolf. I have never been anti-Fedor, I have merely been put off by his opponents. He keeps fighting guys we all know he can beat at little risk to himself. The UFC has made great strides in the HW division the last couple of years and it is really going to be even better in a couple more. If I am the best and I want to prove I am the best, then I have to fight the best. If I am the best, want to prove it and get the largest paycheck I will ever see I sign with the UFC. Or not.

i thought this thread was dead...

Andrew the Raider King wrote:

Screw you Wolf. I have never been anti-Fedor, I have merely been put off by his opponents. He keeps fighting guys we all know he can beat at little risk to himself. The UFC has made great strides in the HW division the last couple of years and it is really going to be even better in a couple more. If I am the best and I want to prove I am the best, then I have to fight the best. If I am the best, want to prove it and get the largest paycheck I will ever see I sign with the UFC. Or not.

Unless you don't want to risk losing. Then you bcktrack on what you have said in previous interviews and lie about things such as money, wanting to fight the best, or not being able to compete in sambo, wanting to fight more, etc like fedor and his managers HAVE done. Funny how people go from that to Fedor has fought more people then Cain or Brock or the rest of the UFC Hw's. That isn't what this is about. Champions fight the best unless they retire. If they say they want to fight the best, then do it. I have done a 180 in the past year on Fedor and I still consider him one of my favorites, but he has done alot this past 3-4 months and now I question his character. All of a sudden I am the bad guy because I called his card.

Not many people being real about like you and I Andrew. Wolf likes to mislead though. You just have to watch him.

killerofchicken wrote:

i thought this thread was dead...

Fedor threads don't die until someone wants to throw them in the trash can for no reason at all and lie about why they did it.

UFC fighters are contractually prohibited from living up to the 'If I am the best and I want to prove I am the best, then I have to fight the best' moniker but are not accused of ducking for not fighting the guy considered to actually be the best. And would it be the UFC and it's money that limits them in this way?

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Remember, Fedor is #1....since when does the gold look for the prospecters?

This is still one of the finest quotes I've heard.

Threads can live and die, but opinions are more like zombies.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

killerofchicken wrote:

i thought this thread was dead...

Fedor threads don't die until someone wants to throw them in the trash can for no reason at all and lie about why they did it.

haha, im new on here so im gonna stay out of this one fellas. javascript:emoticonp('')