Ultimate Fedor thread.

Correction - Carwin has never fought a top ten HW. Cain has fought one. JDS has fought one.

Farmer1906 wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Atleast he fights top 10 fighters. No HW in the UFC fights top 10s on a consistant basis. Maybe JDS. Mur sure as shit doesn't. Brock hasn't fought in damn near a year. Neither has Carwin. Who else is there? Cain, Nog?

What?
Mir has been fighting Brock, Nog, Brock, and Kongo
Nog has been fighting Sylvia, Mir, Couture, and Cain

Carwin, JDS, and Cain are all up and comers. They are just made their name, but between them they have wins over Werdum, Nog, Cro Cop, Rothwell, & Gonzaga.

Mir beat Nog (staph) in January of last year. He beat Brock in his second career fight and was nowhere near a top guy then. Then got shit canned in epic fasion. Kongo? Lol at Kongo being a quality win. Nog fights top 10 guys day in day out but we've been there done that. When I said Nog it came out wrong. I meant to say he fights top guys but it didn't come out that way. My bad.

ohiovol62 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Atleast he fights top 10 fighters. No HW in the UFC fights top 10s on a consistant basis. Maybe JDS. Mur sure as shit doesn't. Brock hasn't fought in damn near a year. Neither has Carwin. Who else is there? Cain, Nog?

What?
Mir has been fighting Brock, Nog, Brock, and Kongo
Nog has been fighting Sylvia, Mir, Couture, and Cain

Carwin, JDS, and Cain are all up and comers. They are just made their name, but between them they have wins over Werdum, Nog, Cro Cop, Rothwell, & Gonzaga.

Mir beat Nog (staph) in January of last year. He beat Brock in his second career fight and was nowhere near a top guy then. Then got shit canned in epic fasion. Kongo? Lol at Kongo being a quality win. Nog fights top 10 guys day in day out but we've been there done that. When I said Nog it came out wrong. I meant to say he fights top guys but it didn't come out that way. My bad.

If you aren't going to count fights vs Brock (2x) and Nog as top 10 fights then what are you going to count. it just seems like no matter what any HW does, it isn't good enough. There is no HW that fights top guys!!!

ohio I feel what you're saying, and I've been saying it for years, but for now, I'll accept Mur as a valid top ten HW until he gives me reason not to.

Then I'll say I knew it all along.

I am shocked by what I read by most of you. I think you guys have bumped your heads. Farmer is right.

I am sick of hearing about Fedor too. He is gonna go from November to July without one fight. That is rediculous. I am becoming less and less of a fan. I for sure won't buy the Fedor RVCA shirt I was waiting on at the mall. I will just order the old BJ shirt instead. I WAS a diehard fan and I bet some will feel the same way. Werdum and Overeem woudln't be top 6 in the UFC. You guys can talk stupidity all you want, but Fedor is not doing what hardcore MMA fans want him too. He is simply coasting into retirement and I don't ever see him stepping up and fighting the best. Are you really happy with Fedor and his management this past 12 months?

It doesn't matter who has or has not fought in the UFC HW division right now. When you have three newer fighters like Cain, Carwin, and JDS who have past any tests so far. Not to mention JDS beat Werdum who could give Fedor a match up????? I still can't believe you all said that. I want to puke. I love Fedor or loved Fedor too, but I am not gonna defend him anymore. My UFC homer friend owned me the other night when I defended Fedor. I can't hate because he is all about the money and nothing is wrong with that. Cept him always saying he wasn't about the money and wanted to fight the best. Fedor is a liar and he played me for the past three years.

I will admit it now

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

It doesn't matter who has or has not fought in the UFC HW division right now. When you have three newer fighters like Cain, Carwin, and JDS who have past any tests so far. Not to mention JDS beat Werdum who could give Fedor a match up????? I still can't believe you all said that. I want to puke. I love Fedor or loved Fedor too, but I am not gonna defend him anymore. My UFC homer friend owned me the other night when I defended Fedor. I can't hate because he is all about the money and nothing is wrong with that. Cept him always saying he wasn't about the money and wanted to fight the best. Fedor is a liar and he played me for the past three years.

I will admit it now

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

It doesn't matter who has or has not fought in the UFC HW division right now. When you have three newer fighters like Cain, Carwin, and JDS who have past any tests so far. Not to mention JDS beat Werdum who could give Fedor a match up????? I still can't believe you all said that. I want to puke. I love Fedor or loved Fedor too, but I am not gonna defend him anymore. My UFC homer friend owned me the other night when I defended Fedor. I can't hate because he is all about the money and nothing is wrong with that. Cept him always saying he wasn't about the money and wanted to fight the best. Fedor is a liar and he played me for the past three years.

I will admit it now

Roll your eyes all you want, but I have defended and been a fan of his for a long time and this news makes me sick. I am done with Fedor....until fight night! but I won't buy his shirt out of spite I tell you!!!!

Fedor gets way too much flack.

Mir just fought Kongo. Carwin's best win is Gonzaga. Those 2 are now fighting for a shot at the belt?

Very possible that Brock will be fighting Mir a 3rd time in 6 career fights. Half his fights are against Mir? Doesn't that sound pretty crazy?

the idea of Fedor rematching Grim would send this board into a frenzy.

I guess it comes with the territory of being the goat, but he is put to a different standard.

Meanwhile UFC great's like GSP and Spider are fighting Hardy and Maia.

captain organic wrote:

Fedor gets way too much flack.

Mir just fought Kongo. Carwin's best win is Gonzaga. Those 2 are now fighting for a shot at the belt?

Very possible that Brock will be fighting Mir a 3rd time in 6 career fights. Half his fights are against Mir? Doesn't that sound pretty crazy?

the idea of Fedor rematching Grim would send this board into a frenzy.

I guess it comes with the territory of being the goat, but he is put to a different standard.

Meanwhile UFC great's like GSP and Spider are fighting Hardy and Maia.

I completely agree. Its alright if Anderson faces the likes of Cote and Leites back to back.

But if Fedor faces Werdum and Overeem he is considered "ducking top competition" and his entire career is questioned

captain organic wrote:

Fedor gets way too much flack.

Mir just fought Kongo. Carwin's best win is Gonzaga. Those 2 are now fighting for a shot at the belt?

Very possible that Brock will be fighting Mir a 3rd time in 6 career fights. Half his fights are against Mir? Doesn't that sound pretty crazy?

the idea of Fedor rematching Grim would send this board into a frenzy.

I guess it comes with the territory of being the goat, but he is put to a different standard.

Meanwhile UFC great's like GSP and Spider are fighting Hardy and Maia.

I am giving him flack for not fighting in the UFC when he could and should. Fedor fighting Brock, Cain, JDS, Carwin, Mir, or a few other UFC HW's is way better than Fedor fighting Grim again, Werdum, and Overeem. He has lied about a few things also. People are overlooking how much Fedor has went against his own beleifs in the past month or two. That is my problem.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Fedor gets way too much flack.

Mir just fought Kongo. Carwin's best win is Gonzaga. Those 2 are now fighting for a shot at the belt?

Very possible that Brock will be fighting Mir a 3rd time in 6 career fights. Half his fights are against Mir? Doesn't that sound pretty crazy?

the idea of Fedor rematching Grim would send this board into a frenzy.

I guess it comes with the territory of being the goat, but he is put to a different standard.

Meanwhile UFC great's like GSP and Spider are fighting Hardy and Maia.

I completely agree. Its alright if Anderson faces the likes of Cote and Leites back to back.

But if Fedor faces Werdum and Overeem he is considered "ducking top competition" and his entire career is questioned

I hope you all don't mean me because that is not what I believe. Silva isn't the one in a second tier organization and MW isn't and hasn't been as stacked as HW has been the past year and a half. Anderson has fought the weakest competition of all the UFC champs.

Exactly! You guys have been browsing the forum and won't qoute now. Either you were talking about someone besides me or you know I am right. I hate that I am saying it too. I never thought I would, but it is the cold hard truth.

And what happens if Fedor comes to the UFC? Does he fight Brock 3 times in 2 years(kind of like what we very may well see in Brock vs Mir)?

If Mir vs Brock III does happen, does that kind of debunk the idea that the UFC heavy division is far better and deeper then the non ufc heavies?

I mean I like Cain, but has he beaten anyone who we think would be a worthwhile fight right now for Fedor? Same for Carwin, is he a more proven commodity then Overeem, Werdum or Grim?

After Brock beats up Mir again why not have him come fight Fedor in a SF sanctioned fight?

Ugh Captain

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Its alright if Anderson faces the likes of Cote and Leites back to back.

But if Fedor faces Werdum and Overeem he is considered "ducking top competition" and his entire career is questioned

Cant hate on fedor without slinging some at some UFC champs! good point NInja

captain organic wrote:

And what happens if Fedor comes to the UFC? Does he fight Brock 3 times in 2 years(kind of like what we very may well see in Brock vs Mir)?

If Mir vs Brock III does happen, does that kind of debunk the idea that the UFC heavy division is far better and deeper then the non ufc heavies?

I mean I like Cain, but has he beaten anyone who we think would be a worthwhile fight right now for Fedor? Same for Carwin, is he a more proven commodity then Overeem, Werdum or Grim?

After Brock beats up Mir again why not have him come fight Fedor in a SF sanctioned fight?

Love you 90% of the time, but this is by far the worst Captain. I don't even know where to start? I have to study for a bit anyways. I hope you take this back. I mean the fake hypotheticals based off Brock getting sick/surgery after a grudge match with Mir is a horrible analogy first off. I pray Ninja doesn't come back with something like this. What happened to some of you guys? It is like you are blind or in a Fedor coma. Ninja starts comparing Silva and saying something that didn't have to do with what I said. He is always top notch. Is this like an internet Punked episode? Am I dreaming?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Ugh Captain

I made a couple points there LA, be a bit more specific.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

captain organic wrote:

Fedor gets way too much flack.

Mir just fought Kongo. Carwin's best win is Gonzaga. Those 2 are now fighting for a shot at the belt?

Very possible that Brock will be fighting Mir a 3rd time in 6 career fights. Half his fights are against Mir? Doesn't that sound pretty crazy?

the idea of Fedor rematching Grim would send this board into a frenzy.

I guess it comes with the territory of being the goat, but he is put to a different standard.

Meanwhile UFC great's like GSP and Spider are fighting Hardy and Maia.

I completely agree. Its alright if Anderson faces the likes of Cote and Leites back to back.

But if Fedor faces Werdum and Overeem he is considered "ducking top competition" and his entire career is questioned

But the thing is, it's not like Anderson was presented with different options and chose say Cote or Leites over a contender most wanted to see him against. He was given those guys and that's who he fought, he did take some shit bu not finsihing these guys easy too. Though I'm not saying Fedor was ducking, just simply saying.

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Ugh Captain

I made a couple points there LA, be a bit more specific.

You might think so

Okay I got it. There is an internet virus and it is getting you guys high. Me and LA are immune do to all the crap we have done. That has to be it. Farmer wasn't infected, but he looked pretty drunk or something in that pic so he is suspect like me. Some of the best posters have puked all over this thread. I am ashamed guys. I might cry

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

captain organic wrote:

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Ugh Captain

I made a couple points there LA, be a bit more specific.

You might think so

Yeah the point is he started smoking something. Captain it was all nothing. Serious dude.

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

And what happens if Fedor comes to the UFC? Does he fight Brock 3 times in 2 years(kind of like what we very may well see in Brock vs Mir)?

If Mir vs Brock III does happen, does that kind of debunk the idea that the UFC heavy division is far better and deeper then the non ufc heavies?

I mean I like Cain, but has he beaten anyone who we think would be a worthwhile fight right now for Fedor? Same for Carwin, is he a more proven commodity then Overeem, Werdum or Grim?

After Brock beats up Mir again why not have him come fight Fedor in a SF sanctioned fight?

Love you 90% of the time, but this is by far the worst Captain. I don't even know where to start? I have to study for a bit anyways. I hope you take this back. I mean the fake hypotheticals based off Brock getting sick/surgery after a grudge match with Mir is a horrible analogy first off. I pray Ninja doesn't come back with something like this. What happened to some of you guys? It is like you are blind or in a Fedor coma. Ninja starts comparing Silva and saying something that didn't have to do with what I said. He is always top notch. Is this like an internet Punked episode? Am I dreaming?

What's the fake hypothetical? Is mir not favored to beat Carwin? And does the winner then not fight Brock? Will that not be the 3rd time Brock has faced Mir in 6 career fights?


As far as a Fedor coma goes. The UFC has a near monopoly, and has swung that ax heavily against fighters with little leverage, if Fedor wants to say "fuck you" to the UFC then Im not going to get too worked up about it.

And Capt, I'll respond in depth to ur post later, just was messin.

captain organic wrote:

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

captain organic wrote:

And what happens if Fedor comes to the UFC? Does he fight Brock 3 times in 2 years(kind of like what we very may well see in Brock vs Mir)?

If Mir vs Brock III does happen, does that kind of debunk the idea that the UFC heavy division is far better and deeper then the non ufc heavies?

I mean I like Cain, but has he beaten anyone who we think would be a worthwhile fight right now for Fedor? Same for Carwin, is he a more proven commodity then Overeem, Werdum or Grim?

After Brock beats up Mir again why not have him come fight Fedor in a SF sanctioned fight?

Love you 90% of the time, but this is by far the worst Captain. I don't even know where to start? I have to study for a bit anyways. I hope you take this back. I mean the fake hypotheticals based off Brock getting sick/surgery after a grudge match with Mir is a horrible analogy first off. I pray Ninja doesn't come back with something like this. What happened to some of you guys? It is like you are blind or in a Fedor coma. Ninja starts comparing Silva and saying something that didn't have to do with what I said. He is always top notch. Is this like an internet Punked episode? Am I dreaming?

What's the fake hypothetical? Is mir not favored to beat Carwin? And does the winner then not fight Brock? Will that not be the 3rd time Brock has faced Mir in 6 career fights?


As far as a Fedor coma goes. The UFC has a near monopoly, and has swung that ax heavily against fighters with little leverage, if Fedor wants to say "fuck you" to the UFC then Im not going to get too worked up about it.

FAKE HYPOTHETICAL is Brock fights Fedor three times. The fact that it could happen with Mir and Brock is because of the interim bout because of Brock getting sick/surgery. If Fedor just arrived in the UFC he would beat Brock once and move on to the next guy. You didn't get that?