Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?

Wolfgangsta wrote:

That guy Faber beat was in most major top tens and sherdogs top five.

Assuncao was not in the P4P top 10, he was in his divisions but not P4P

So? he's still a top 10 FW, more like top 5 I think, that's a great win.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

So? he's still a top 10 FW, more like top 5 I think, that's a great win.

I thought the question was top 10 P4P

not division

I havnt made a p4p list in awhile but just thinking about it quickly .. aldo would be the only one in my list I think in the 7-10 range.

Tim simply said "wan't over a top guy".

Yeah that was talking about Faber's last win

bigbeastcardinal12 wrote:

I would only put Aldo in there right now. Faber got beat a few times since I had him on my p4p top 10. Brown hasn't done enough and just had a losing effort.

He's only lost three times, two of those coming to the last guy to hold the title. He hadn't lost since 2005 before he lost to Brown the first time. I don't think you can really put a discount on the guy's eligibility into the P4P top ten due to broken hands the second time around. He wasn't exactly getting owned before he busted his hand.

Well seeing as before now there was never any more than two Featherweights on the Pound 4 Pound list (Brown and Faber) it'd be hard for Assuncao to crack it. But he was easily a top five featherweight, easily. I think Faber showed a good bit of durability in his hands in the fight with Assuncao though. He struck him hard on multiple occasions with no issues from what I saw. Faber has no fear and I think thats a good thing going into a fight with Aldo.

MMA Math is ridiculous. Even more ridiculous when you try to use it in the Aldo/Brown/Faber situation. Yeah Brown beat Faber twice. Yeah Aldo beat Brown. That doesn't mean Brown and Faber are in any way shape or form the same fighter. Aldo won't have as big a speed advantage on Faber, he won't have nearly the angular striking advantage either. He will have to keep his eyes open because Faber throws a whole lot of unorthodox strikes. I think Faber/Aldo is the best featherweight matchup to date. Faber dominated the division for years, but Aldo has a full head of steam with 6 straight (T)KO wins, three of his last four inside the first round. It's the whole Experience vs Explosiveness thing, and I gotta admit I am interested in how it turns out.

+1 to Ludo.


Aldo could turn into another Faber, or he could become a Torres. If he loses this and his next fight everyone who once sung his praises would be pointing out that before Brown he was fighting complete nobodies for the most part.

A couple guys who don't get much consideration, but should def push a couple of the FW's out of the top 10.

Lil Nog, 18-3- has some great wins, no bad losses, very little p4p recogntion. Does he not deserve to be over both MTB and Faber right now?

Cain, only one heavy gets p4p pub, but Cain is also a lighter heavy who is undefeated and has ripped off 3 good wins. If Bowles was getting consideration after 8 fights why not Cain?

Shields-I feel the same as many in that I think his time is due, and he does get some votes, but the guy never losses, fights good(though not great) opposition, and has done it in 2 different weight classes. The guy has to be higher then MTB right?

I think Fitch(and maybe Alves) has to above at least one of those guys.

Aoki is similar to Shields in that he is seen as one dimensional, is not fighting the true top of the heap guys, yet still should get more consideration.

Lil Nog was facing middle of the road competition for a long time until now, including Cane.

Cain only has 8 fights on his resume, only one coming against a truly top shelf opponent. The reason Bowles was getting consideration was because he dominated Miguel Torres. Cain dominated Ben Rothwell until he fought Minotauro.

Shields...No.

Fitch at this point no. But if he beats Alves convincingly, you could make a case for him.

Aoki shouldn't get any consideration until he steps up and gives anyone a real reason to rank him #2 other than he hasn't already been beaten by BJ Penn.

yo cap, ludo, I gave you both positive votes. No need to neg either of your opinions, as there is validity to each.

look at wolf being the moderator. LOL. P4P are opinion based so those should always be allowed.

yeah I didn't neg anybody, but back to the point.

Lil nog has wins over Hendo, Sakuraba, Overeem, Matyushenko, Mezger, and totally outclassed Cane.

Cain has beaten Kongo decisively, Rothwell tko, and big nog ko, all very quality wins.

Shields in his current 13 fight win streak has beaten Okami, Daley, Condit, Nick Thompson, Lawler, Mayhem. In 2 different weight classes. This guy has to get consideration.

Fitch has one loss in his last 19, that to GSP, against whom he showed world class toughness. In that span he has already beat Alves, Gono, Diego, Thiago.

Meanwhile the WEC guys jump 50-100 p4p spots off of one win.

captain organic wrote:

yeah I didn't neg anybody, but back to the point.

Lil nog has wins over Hendo, Sakuraba, Overeem, Matyushenko, Mezger, and totally outclassed Cane.

Cain has beaten Kongo decisively, Rothwell tko, and big nog ko, all very quality wins.

Shields in his current 13 fight win streak has beaten Okami, Daley, Condit, Nick Thompson, Lawler, Mayhem. In 2 different weight classes. This guy has to get consideration.

Fitch has one loss in his last 19, that to GSP, against whom he showed world class toughness. In that span he has already beat Alves, Gono, Diego, Thiago.

Meanwhile the WEC guys jump 50-100 p4p spots off of one win.

All very good points. Once you look at what Shields has done and he is actually a WW his resume is getting impressive. I think in due time most of these people will crack the p4p list except maybe fitch cause i got him loosing to Alves. Also I would love to see a Fitch Vs Shields fight.

A lil off this topic, but....

Does any one else like the idea of including a p4p top ten to our next rankings?

a top 20 is more comprehensive.

20 would be cool. Would probably have a lot more homer picks birthed in. 10 is a prestigious standard though, more exclusive.

I think the p4p should be included, and I like the idea of 20 or even 25, by having to think that far out it actually clarifies the bottom of the top 10, which can look awfully murky.

doing top 10's causes dumb arguments when someone's would be 13 isn't on someone elses top 10, and it's really really annoying trying to exclude guys you wanna be on there but dont have room for. Top 20s are easier for tons of reasons.

If you don't know enough to do a top 20, or can't make one, you don't deserve to be in an official vote anyway right?

I think top 20 is a bit much. If someone can't crack the top 15 do they really deserve to be on the list? Give them a honorable mention if you really feel the need to give more names but I think 15 is more then enough.

Top 25 are pretty standard in other sports, why not MMA? Most people in our top 20 lists from LA's thread have been in the top ten at one point or another on someones list.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Top 25 are pretty standard in other sports, why not MMA? Most people in our top 20 lists from LA's thread have been in the top ten at one point or another on someones list.

Yea but P4P just differs so much from person to person. There are so many different views on what P4P really means, I dunno 20 wouldn't be bad but I think it waters it down a bit. I just think 15 would be better. Just 1 mans opinion though. When you get to 11-15 you are really looking at people who are about to crack your top 10 which I like. When you get to the 16-20 then you are really starting to reach a bit. Those people deserver honorable mention at best. Again, just my take on it.

I could go with 20. It will mean more work for the tally man. Ten might be too much pressure though. 20 gives a little breathing room. There seems to be a little interest though for a p4p, at least among regular voters.

One could say 20 is too much, or that there is no interest in p4p here, but this is a popular discussion, and we all did a top 20 like two months ago that you two must have missed.


I'll dig up LA's thread.