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PostSubject: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:08 pm

Aldo, MTB and Faber?
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:12 pm

Im not putting Brown in. And it's difficult to put Faber in but not Brown. Though I will put him in if he gets the title back.

I got Aldo in, so only one for me at the moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:12 pm

Why not Brown?
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:15 pm

I would buy a list with these three on it, but unlike boxing, these lighter weight classes aren't fully established yet, so the "smaller = more talented" line of thinking won't hold as much water. Blown up, are these guys as good as the top LHW's or LWs?
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:15 pm

I would only put Aldo in there right now. Faber got beat a few times since I had him on my p4p top 10. Brown hasn't done enough and just had a losing effort.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:19 pm

Brown has beaten another arguable top 10 P4Per twice and has a nice resume outside that, he lost to another top 10 P4Per.

This was my last P4P listI made:

Not sure anyone below has done anything to be bumped ahead, especially with Bowles falling out.

1.) Anderson, I feel like I'm insulting any of these guys by not putting em at 1
1A.) Fedor
1B.) GSP
4.) BJ
5.) Machida, BJ at 4 and Machida at 5 are locked right now IMO
6.) Aldo, Sick skills, dominated MTB another top 10, at least 15 P4Per
7.) Shogun, Clearly he's back, if he loses again to Machida he drops out of the top 10
8.) Bowles, Crushed Torres when he was a top 5 P4P guy, and think he beats him again
9.) Hendo, it's Hendo
10.) MTB, a loss to Aldo shouldn't drop him out of the top 10 when he beat Faber twice
11.) Faber, too many dominate wins to move too far down, huge fight with Aldo
12.) Torres, the road back begins with Benazidez
13.) Rampage, look at his like last 10 fights and opponents, 1 controversial loss to Forrest
14.) Mousasi, young and talented, but lets chill
15.) Fitch, not exciting but beats everyone, but GSP
16.) Sheilds, I think Alves and Kos beat him down, but his resume speaks for itself
17.) Alves, beast
18.) Aoki
19.) Rashad, top LHW, and could fight at MW
20.) Diego, top 10 LW and still would be a top 10 WW IMO
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:21 pm

I don't have Brown in because I don't think he has looked good at all since Garcia. Looked very limited vs a Faber with 2 broken hands, had nothing to offer Aldo, took advantage of an outclassed opponent(who happened to look better then Brown in the striking) in his last fight.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:23 pm

He still beat Faber twice and has a better resume than Faber otherwise, or equal at worst, he lost to another extremely talented fighter.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:25 pm

Faber is an exciting fighter and he is a top guy in his weightclass. MTB is also. If Faber beats Aldo then he will be back. MTB is around 11-13 for me. I haven't thought about top 10 p4p in awhile.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:35 pm

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP
4. Penn
5. Aldo
6. Machida
7. Shogun
8. Sheilds
9. Gegard
10. Fitch
11. MTB
12. Faber
13. Alves
14. Cruz
15. Bowles
16. Aoki
17. Hendo
18. Rampage
19. Maynard
20. Rashad
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:43 pm

Thing about Brown is that i think he is a huge FW more so than he is p4p skill wise. He strong at everything but i don't think he's great at anything. He was rather mediocre as a LW and i would consider him a natural LW and a huge FW. That has proved to cause matchup problems for a lot of the FW. He's def. top 3 FW and maybe top 20 P4P(i would really have to sit back and work on a list) but when you do P4P you take skill and you imagine if he was 170 or 185 with the same attributes, where would he stand? MTB has already shown to be pretty middle of the pack at LW and he is not even the best FW...so no. I actually don't even rank Faber top 10 p4p but they are both probably somewhere in the teens. Aldo on the other hand would be a killer with those skills at any size.


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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:45 pm

Im surprised that neither of you guys showed love to Nick Diaz.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:50 pm

Brown looked smaller than Aldo. He also crushed his last opponent. Can't say he hasn't looked good lately or isn't a p4p fighter.


Joe Benavidez is tiny even at 135 and has been dominant in his last two fights, with his only loss not looking that bad now. p4p certainly.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 9:58 pm

That was my last one
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 10:01 pm

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:
1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP
4. Penn
5. Aldo
6. Machida
7. Shogun
8. Sheilds
9. Gegard
10. Fitch
11. MTB
12. Faber
13. Alves
14. Cruz
15. Bowles
16. Aoki
17. Hendo
18. Rampage
19. Maynard
20. Rashad

I'll just start with Maynard over Rashad?
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 10:07 pm

Yo I ain't the only one with high high opinions of Gray Maynard. Not sure I'd rank it like that, but I have no real issue with that opinion at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P?   Could 3 FWs be top 10 P4P? EmptySun Mar 07, 2010 10:08 pm

Wolfgangsta wrote:
Brown looked smaller than Aldo. He also crushed his last opponent. Can't say he hasn't looked good lately or isn't a p4p fighter.


Joe Benavidez is tiny even at 135 and has been dominant in his last two fights, with his only loss not looking that bad now. p4p certainly.

cause Brown was smaller by an inch and slower by a mile. Aldo is a big FW as well, and is as fast as all of them as well as being more talented. That's why he is the best.
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Aldo was faster, but not by as much as I thought and not by enough so that Brown couldn't possibly tag him in a rematch. Faber looks faster than Aldo by his performance against Brown in their second fight I thought.
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Yeah brown could definitely catch Aldo in a rematch and is very talented and skilled but I dont have him top 10 p4p he is actually around 12-14 range for me.
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Yeah but Aldo dominated Brown like no one has, and Faber despite whatever, is 0-2 vs. Brown.
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Yeah Faber is 0-2 versus Brown with excuses you could say but what scares me is I wonder if Fabers hands will ever fully recover to 100 percent? Guys that break there hands alot sometimes never recover.
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He already won since then, and dominately.
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tolivendiewithLA wrote:
He already won since then, and dominately.

Yeah I understand that but it wasnt against top competition. It happens in boxing more than MMA but it does happen. I guarantee you before his career is over he will rebreak his hand again.
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tolivendiewithLA wrote:
Aldo, MTB and Faber?


Faber isnt top 10 IMO at all

Aldo is

MTB might be
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That guy Faber beat was in most major top tens and sherdogs top five.
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