CAIN VS. DOS SANTOS

I LIKE THIS MATCH UP WHAT YOU THINK

Santos is the better striker. It will depend on how good JDS's take down defense is and/or how good is he off of his back.

Its hard to make a prediction in this fight given we've never seen JDS on his back before. Dos Santos is THE striker in UFCs heavyweight division though so I give him the advantage there

YA IT WOULD BE A GOOD MATCHUP AND BLACKHOUSE WILL BE LOOKING FOR SOME REVENGE
CAIN DIDNT WANT TO MESS WITH BIG NOG ON THE GROUND SO I THINK HE WILL WANT TO STAND WITH DOS SANTOS I WOULD PAY TO WATCH THAT ONE

I felt Nog was the better striker and that last nights fight would at some point have a ground element. Shock and awe transpired all on the feet.

Tough fight to call, I see both these guys as future stars in that division

Standing I think Dos drops Cain

On the ground I think Cain would blanket Dos

Cain is as fast as Dos Santos and nearly as good of a striker already. He has that natural "it". Dos Santos is for all we know, one dimensional. Unless Cain gets caught, he dominates.

Cain's striking was horribly underrated due to the knockdowns from Kongo. He has always had explosive and fluid combos.

Cain is not as good a striker as Dos sorry

LA learn to read sorry.

I can, "Cain is as fast as Dos Santos and nearly as good of a striker already" nearly as good means you think they're very close and also think he'll be as good or better in not to long judging from ur tone here.

A better way to look at it is, against Nog who looked slow, he looked great, but against a very good striker in Kongo, whose not as good as Dos, he was rocked like 3 times.

Cain standup is very good, but he would be making a mistake if he decided to stand with Jr.

There were no real standing exchanges, and Cain got hit looking for a takedown. It isn't the same. I suggest watching Cain's entire career, his striking has always been crisp, explosive and fluid.

Cain is as fast and explosive as Dos Santos and nearly as good a striker. This is fact. Disagree if you wish, I have no issue with that, but if you are going to disagree, disagree with what I actually said, instead of misreading, or worse, misrepresenting what I said to better undermine it.

But now that you mention it, Cain eventually will be a better striker, because the fear of takedowns and his own takedown defense will limit those fighting him, where Dos Santos will enjoy no such luxuary, and be limited by his lack of takedown ability and his takedown defense, if it is weak as it likely is.

So basically I was right on the money with my interpretation then LOL

And I def disagree

Cain should fight the winner of JDS vs GG IMO. I don't see Cain keeping it on the feet against JDS and will GnP him out for a win. The winner of that should get a title fight against whoever is the champ. (Carwin or Brock I think)

Wolfgangsta wrote:

There were no real standing exchanges, and Cain got hit looking for a takedown. It isn't the same. I suggest watching Cain's entire career, his striking has always been crisp, explosive and fluid.

Cain is as fast and explosive as Dos Santos and nearly as good a striker. This is fact. Disagree if you wish, I have no issue with that, but if you are going to disagree, disagree with what I actually said, instead of misreading, or worse, misrepresenting what I said to better undermine it.

But now that you mention it, Cain eventually will be a better striker, because the fear of takedowns and his own takedown defense will limit those fighting him, where Dos Santos will enjoy no such luxuary, and be limited by his lack of takedown ability and his takedown defense, if it is weak as it likely is.

Good point in the last paragraph

Why do you disagree? You really disagree that a strong wrestler with good striking will not be a better MMA striker than a great striker with limited ground ability? You are not serious I hope?

Please see the careers of Chuck Liddell and GSP for details.

LA we have discussed supporting opinion with actual evidence in the past.

The Kongo fight isn't a representation of everything Cain is striking anymore than the Mir fight is a representation of everything he is striking. Cain and he didn't exchange at all, and Cain made some uncharacteristic mistakes that he had not made before and hasn't made since.

Cain is already one of the best strikers in the division. In two years he could be the best.

Cain was rocked in an exchange in that fight aswell as when going for takedowns, it happened earlier in that fight, before he made the wise decision to use his wrestling. You really think he could stand with a striker as talented as Dos? His striking looked better than usual because Nog looked so slow, Nog's striking against Randy was foold gold becuase Randy is even slower. Jr is one of the best if not the best HW striker in the world right now, other posters like Ninja agree with this.

Why don't you support saying Cain is nearly as good a strker as Jr, without jumping to that conclusion because Cain's striking looked good against a slow Nog.

I've gotta say that in a pure striking sport such as boxing or kick boxing, JDS is clearly the better striker, but in MMA, Cain could have a huge edge based on the fear of the takedown. Especially if Cain keeps improving the way he has. He's been brought up quite well by the UFC, and he's being handled perfectly. Now a fight against JDS for the next no. 1 contender spot would be perfect. I'd be more excited for that fight than I am for Mir/Carwin.

It wasn't too long ago Nog was getting dominated by Sylvia standing, getting head kicked by Heath, and offered absolutely nothing to Mir in the stand up department. Just because Cain stopped Nog and put up combinations against Denis Stojnić doesn't make him the same caliber striker that JDS is.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

It wasn't too long ago Nog was getting dominated by Sylvia standing, getting head kicked by Heath, and offered absolutely nothing to Mir in the stand up department. Just because Cain stopped Nog and put up combinations against Denis Stojnić doesn't make him the same caliber striker that JDS is.

Exactly

Sometimes, it's not who you fight, but how you fight.

This is the same reason people think Jose Aldo is an honorable mention for most talented all time and should be fighting BJ Penn and all this other stuff when he has one top 10 win in his career, one top 10 win in his career and one respectable win in his career, and they're all over the same person.

Same reason Anderson Silva was given a title shot for beating Leben.

Same reason Jon Jones is already considered a top talent at LHW.

There wasn't a lot of prolonged striking exchanges, and Cain made mistakes he had never made in any of his fights before or after. The way Cain throws, his speed, fluidity, and agility are all top notch. Denis Stojnic is a kickboxer from Golden Glory and Cain mauled him standing. Rothwell is a striker and Cain beat him standing. This guy isn't a striker, and he looks like a striker. Considering where he is in his career, in two or three years he will easily be unstoppable in any phase of the game.

I've been saying Randy is old and slow for two years almost LA, and you've had your fingers in your ears screaming like a toddler about that. You can't turn around and use that fact now to undermine Cain, when you've used Brock's win over Randy to prop him up all this time in argument after argument.

The Kongo fight was quite a shock to anyone who knew about Cain, and isn't representative of what his ability is, or was then, considering it has improved significantly since then.

Randy's striking is slow, I never argued it wasn't, but he's still a good fighter, the best part of his game isn't his striking and he knows this, if he went out and tried to stand only in every fight, my views on him would be different.

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Randy's striking is slow, I never argued it wasn't, but he's still a good fighter, the best part of his game isn't his striking and he knows this, if he went out and tried to stand only in every fight, my views on him would be different.

There is a reason Thompson told Coleman to trade with Randy. Randy thinks he is a striker now and is in love with his boxing. He doesn't know that at all. Since the first Liddell KO, he has won and lost every fight nearly by choosing to strike.

But in most of his best wins he won due to his other strengths, and all this is beside the point as we were using it to show Nog striking looking slow to Cain's.

He won by winning the striking battle first, especially against Tim and Gabe. The striking set it all up.

Strike, clinch, takedown repeat. Beat Randy in the striking and the fight ends there. His gameplan and how to defeat his gameplan are both common knowledge.

Anyway, Cain looks fast regardless. I don't think Nog being "slow"(read - slower than cain) means Cain isn't fast. Cain is or is close to as fast as Dos Santos. Throw in takedown ability and defense and you have the makings of a HW juggernaut.

I would love to see this fight!