Anderson at HW?

Not standing

Bigs03 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

timthebim wrote:

Spider is good but come on guys??? Fedor kills him, Brock kills him, and Mir in my opion also beats him. he is awesome but just because he is great dont mean he would beat every1. Except Fedor lol.

Agree. Anderson has dominated the MW division and had success at LHW, that doesn't mean he can contend with the bigger HWs out there. At some point size advantage does matter, and it matters a lot.

Also, there's no reason to think Anderson would beat Fedor. Arlovski has better hands than Fedor and look what happened to him. Anderson is a great MW and possibly a great LHW, but he's not a HW and definitely not a great HW. Anderson's success has come against a largely lackluster MW division, I mean, who has been his toughest test? Marquardt? Franklin? Come on, neither of those guys are top ten p4p, Marquardt barely breaks into the top 20 and Franklin isn't even in the tope 20 IMO.

Anderson is awesome, fucking awesome, but let's not go overboard.

So because Fedor beat Arlovski, then Anderson has no shot. I don't see how the correlates at all. Arlovski also got KO'd by Viacheslav Datsik. You think Anderson has a shot vs him???

As for his toughest tests, how about one of the greatest of all times Dan Henderson? Rich Franklin is a very good MW. So is Nate Marquardt. Forrest Griffin is a former LHW Champion.

Also, Franklin dominated the MW division when the MW division wasn't very good. He's been embarrassed twice by Anderson, had to go the distance against Wandy, lost to Hendo, and got KO'd brutally by Vitor. There are any number of guys who can beat Franklin. Franklin won the belt from Evan Tanner who was a good fighter but not great. Then Rich defended against Nate Quarry and David Loiseau...not exactly a very impressive lineup of contendors at MW at that time. Kind of the same problem that Anderson faces at MW now which is why he's moved to LHW.

Look at the guys GSP has had to face at 170, much stiffer competition than Anderson or Rich ever had to face in their division. Same for BJ, he has dominated 155 but there are a lot of good fighters there. The LHW division has great fighters also, that's why Anderson should stay there. If he dominates the LHW division he will cement his legacy so much more than if he just stayed a MW and defended his belt against nobodies.

I agree MW isn't as good as some of the other divisions, but that doesn't mean Anderson isn't as good. IMO HW is the weakest division there is, but that doesn't mean Fedor isn't the best. I think the biggest tests (not literally) for Fedor and Anderson is at 205. Both could make it there.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

timthebim wrote:

Spider is good but come on guys??? Fedor kills him, Brock kills him, and Mir in my opion also beats him. he is awesome but just because he is great dont mean he would beat every1. Except Fedor lol.

Agree. Anderson has dominated the MW division and had success at LHW, that doesn't mean he can contend with the bigger HWs out there. At some point size advantage does matter, and it matters a lot.

Also, there's no reason to think Anderson would beat Fedor. Arlovski has better hands than Fedor and look what happened to him. Anderson is a great MW and possibly a great LHW, but he's not a HW and definitely not a great HW. Anderson's success has come against a largely lackluster MW division, I mean, who has been his toughest test? Marquardt? Franklin? Come on, neither of those guys are top ten p4p, Marquardt barely breaks into the top 20 and Franklin isn't even in the tope 20 IMO.

Anderson is awesome, fucking awesome, but let's not go overboard.

So because Fedor beat Arlovski, then Anderson has no shot. I don't see how the correlates at all. Arlovski also got KO'd by Viacheslav Datsik. You think Anderson has a shot vs him???

As for his toughest tests, how about one of the greatest of all times Dan Henderson? Rich Franklin is a very good MW. So is Nate Marquardt. Forrest Griffin is a former LHW Champion.

Also, Franklin dominated the MW division when the MW division wasn't very good. He's been embarrassed twice by Anderson, had to go the distance against Wandy, lost to Hendo, and got KO'd brutally by Vitor. There are any number of guys who can beat Franklin. Franklin won the belt from Evan Tanner who was a good fighter but not great. Then Rich defended against Nate Quarry and David Loiseau...not exactly a very impressive lineup of contendors at MW at that time. Kind of the same problem that Anderson faces at MW now which is why he's moved to LHW.

Look at the guys GSP has had to face at 170, much stiffer competition than Anderson or Rich ever had to face in their division. Same for BJ, he has dominated 155 but there are a lot of good fighters there. The LHW division has great fighters also, that's why Anderson should stay there. If he dominates the LHW division he will cement his legacy so much more than if he just stayed a MW and defended his belt against nobodies.

I agree MW isn't as good as some of the other divisions, but that doesn't mean Anderson isn't as good. IMO HW is the weakest division there is, but that doesn't mean Fedor isn't the best. I think the biggest tests (not literally) for Fedor and Anderson is at 205. Both could make it there.

Fedor's resume speaks for itself and it's a hell of a lot more impressive than Anderson's. The HW division as a whole isn't what it used to be but when Fedor was dominating in Pride the HW division there was quite good.

Again, I'm not saying Anderson isn't good, I never said that. I think he's awesome, but he's not gonna beat Fedor or HWs that come into a fight at or above 265.

LA how much do you smoke a day? Go back and read what I said.

Bigs03 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

Bigs03 wrote:

timthebim wrote:

Spider is good but come on guys??? Fedor kills him, Brock kills him, and Mir in my opion also beats him. he is awesome but just because he is great dont mean he would beat every1. Except Fedor lol.

Agree. Anderson has dominated the MW division and had success at LHW, that doesn't mean he can contend with the bigger HWs out there. At some point size advantage does matter, and it matters a lot.

Also, there's no reason to think Anderson would beat Fedor. Arlovski has better hands than Fedor and look what happened to him. Anderson is a great MW and possibly a great LHW, but he's not a HW and definitely not a great HW. Anderson's success has come against a largely lackluster MW division, I mean, who has been his toughest test? Marquardt? Franklin? Come on, neither of those guys are top ten p4p, Marquardt barely breaks into the top 20 and Franklin isn't even in the tope 20 IMO.

Anderson is awesome, fucking awesome, but let's not go overboard.

So because Fedor beat Arlovski, then Anderson has no shot. I don't see how the correlates at all. Arlovski also got KO'd by Viacheslav Datsik. You think Anderson has a shot vs him???

As for his toughest tests, how about one of the greatest of all times Dan Henderson? Rich Franklin is a very good MW. So is Nate Marquardt. Forrest Griffin is a former LHW Champion.

Also, Franklin dominated the MW division when the MW division wasn't very good. He's been embarrassed twice by Anderson, had to go the distance against Wandy, lost to Hendo, and got KO'd brutally by Vitor. There are any number of guys who can beat Franklin. Franklin won the belt from Evan Tanner who was a good fighter but not great. Then Rich defended against Nate Quarry and David Loiseau...not exactly a very impressive lineup of contendors at MW at that time. Kind of the same problem that Anderson faces at MW now which is why he's moved to LHW.

Look at the guys GSP has had to face at 170, much stiffer competition than Anderson or Rich ever had to face in their division. Same for BJ, he has dominated 155 but there are a lot of good fighters there. The LHW division has great fighters also, that's why Anderson should stay there. If he dominates the LHW division he will cement his legacy so much more than if he just stayed a MW and defended his belt against nobodies.

I agree MW isn't as good as some of the other divisions, but that doesn't mean Anderson isn't as good. IMO HW is the weakest division there is, but that doesn't mean Fedor isn't the best. I think the biggest tests (not literally) for Fedor and Anderson is at 205. Both could make it there.

Fedor's resume speaks for itself and it's a hell of a lot more impressive than Anderson's. The HW division as a whole isn't what it used to be but when Fedor was dominating in Pride the HW division there was quite good.

Again, I'm not saying Anderson isn't good, I never said that. I think he's awesome, but he's not gonna beat Fedor or HWs that come into a fight at or above 265.

Fedor's resume? Back in Pride days who did he beat besides Cro Cop & Nog the were worth a damn. Hunt? Fujita? Coleman? Randleman? HW is the weakest division and Fedor hasn't even faced some of the best because of organization issues. No Barnett, no Lesnar, no Mir, no JDS, no Carwin, no Cain, and no Overeem.

Just because Anderson is quicker than Forrest Griffin at 205 doesn't mean the speed translates with 20 extra pounds of non trimmed body mass. Being in fight shape and being at walkaround weight are nowhere near the same. Thats why fighters cut weight to begin with other than the fact that they can come in bigger than the weight class they fight at.

No way is Anderson THAT much faster than natural Heavyweights at his walking around weight, nor is he as fast with his own hands for that matter at that point. Just look at how shitty BJ Penn looked when he fought Welterweight the second time against Hughes. Those extra pounds mean something. When you fight above your natural weight class without taking the time to properly put the muscle on it's bad news.

If they strike, Anderson is the better striker than Mir or Fedor for sure. But all it takes is one shot at Mir's size and Fedor's wild overhand style to put the lights out. By some chance Mir does get the takedown(pretty unlikely but it could happen due to the added weight on Anderson at that point) it's a done deal. If Fedor gets Anderson down it's gonna end in horrific fashion.

I won't even go into Brock and or Carwin, because Brocks takedowns would be too much for Anderson no matter how atuned his reflexes were. And Carwins one shot KO and chin would allow him to eat 3 or 4 to land that one shot.

I guess My point here is Anderson Silva at heavyweight is a mistake and should never happen unless he takes a year off to pack on that muscle to make it work. Otherwise he's carrying around extra water and mass that doesn't do much for him.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

LA how much do you smoke a day? Go back and read what I said.

I smoke a lot of tree a day, anyways you said this

Wolfgangsta wrote:
Not so sure Spider doesn't finish Fedor. Coin flip for me. It it goes to the ground it's over though, Fedor by manhandling. I really don't know what to think of a fight between those two.

wolf eating his words once again.

Honestly it's a tough fight to call, both fighters have their strengths and weaknesses, but i think i'd take Anderson.

oggy420 wrote:

wolf eating his words once again.

Honestly it's a tough fight to call, both fighters have their strengths and weaknesses, but i think i'd take Anderson.

Over fedor or Mir?

Mir? I was saying that about fedor. Anderson destroys Mir imo.

Destroys is a big word Oggy.

I tend to think Spider fares better vs Fedor then he does vs the superheavies.

oggy420 wrote:

Honestly it's a tough fight to call, both fighters have their strengths and weaknesses, but i think i'd take Anderson.

Oggy taking Anderson over Fedro, nice

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

oggy420 wrote:

Honestly it's a tough fight to call, both fighters have their strengths and weaknesses, but i think i'd take Anderson.

Oggy taking Anderson over Fedro, nice

Nice but not right lol.

Subject to opinion

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Subject to opinion

+1

LOL despite never fighting anyone bigger than him Anderson is the best HW in the world common most everyone on this board knows that.

It's more a matter of people thinking that Anderson would be a more difficult matchup for Fedor, where he wouldn't have some of the advantages he owns over HWs he's fought. I don't think Anderson could beat a healthy Brock, because the size difference would be too much to overcome. Standing advantage Anderson, ground advantage Fedor.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

It's more a matter of people thinking that Anderson would be a more difficult matchup for Fedor, where he wouldn't have some of the advantages he owns over HWs he's fought. I don't think Anderson could beat a healthy Brock, because the size difference would be too much to overcome. Standing advantage Anderson, ground advantage Fedor.

I agree Fedor has the ground advantage. I think guys like Fedor, Mir, Nog, and Brock would easily stop Anderson if they got on top of him. But Anderson beats everyone in MMA on the feet. EVERYONE! It is just a matter of getting it to the mat or possible these top HWs choosing to stand.

Agree, though I'm not as high on Mir as others

Farm what happened to ur rep, I know that like 2 weeks ago or so it was in the teens

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Agree, though I'm not as high on Mir as others

Farm what happened to ur rep, I know that like 2 weeks ago or so it was in the teens

Hmmm.... no idea. I guess someone has been neg repping me. I haven't noticed. No big deal though because 'rep' basically means well nothing.

You actually lose posting abilties, jk, just saw it, so I mentiond it.

Farmer has been a bad boy! LOL, don't sweat it bro. Mine reached -14 at one point and I just laughed cuz it was just angry Fedor nut huggers not agreeing with me and your right, it doesn't mean anything.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Anderson beats everyone in MMA on the feet. EVERYONE!

everyone?

I dont see him beating any of these guys on the feet.

JDS, Pat Barry, prime Cro Cop even Arlovski or Schilt. Hell I'd even throw Manhoef in there.

Hell I cant wait to see him on his feet with Vitor in a couple months.