Rashad wasn't looking to finish

Despite landing eight takedowns throughout the match, Evans managed to land only three strikes on the ground. It is exceedingly rare to see an instance where a fighter lands more takedowns than ground strikes. In fact, Evans now holds the record for least strikes landed by a fighter with five or more takedowns landed.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/1/3/1231457/fightmetric-report-for-ufc-108

He didn't want to risk getting caught in anything on the ground imo.

Primetyme199 wrote:

He didn't want to risk getting caught in anything on the ground imo.

Then why take him down? Rashad was just trying to outpoint him.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Primetyme199 wrote:

He didn't want to risk getting caught in anything on the ground imo.

Then why take him down? Rashad was just trying to outpoint him.

What's the easiest way for Rashad to score? Takedowns. I believe that was exactly the plan. Flurry on the feet and secure takedown after takedown. point, points, points till the win.

in side top what does rashad have to worry about?

Cu Bua wrote:

in side top what does rashad have to worry about?

Not the easiest place to sweep from. It can be a relatively easy place to get back to your feet though. Usually you're trying to get back to half or full guard from there if you on the bottom.

Am I the only one who saw Rashad constantly trying to improve his position, probably so he could finish? I'm sorry, but Rashad was just too small to keep the much bigger and stronger Thiago on the ground. Let's not forget that Thiago Silva is a black belt in jiu-jitsu and knows how to sweep better than most, and he's quite a big 205er where Rashad's one of the smallest.

Silva clearly outstruck him, but those 8 take downs and the leaning on him against the cage gave Evans the decision.

Thiago has better strucking then rashad so Shad took him down and got the decision. There is a saying that goes something like win today and look good tommorrow or something like that, so Shad won a ugly fight this and maybe in his next fight he will KO Rampage and look great. Sometimes u just have to win.

1. Save the knockdown in the third Rashad was clearly the faster, better striker. He was landing at will coming forward before the takedowns every time for two whole rounds. "clearly outstruck" ya ok pal.

2. He couldn't throw any ground strikes because he couldn't keep him on the ground hardly at all. He was constantly improving or trying to improve positions, but kept getting swept. He didn't lay on him at all did he?

The idea that Rashad wasn't trying to finish is silly and isn't supported in anything seen last night in the fight. If anyone wasn't trying to finish, it was Thiago after he rocked Rashad late. Not a great thread. Not even a good thread. Horrible thread, laced with healthy amounts of fail. People make themselves think anything when they dislike a fighter.


Where is flea and his/her failboats when you need them.

timthebim wrote:

Thiago has better strucking then rashad so Shad took him down and got the decision. There is a saying that goes something like win today and look good tommorrow or something like that, so Shad won a ugly fight this and maybe in his next fight he will KO Rampage and look great. Sometimes u just have to win.

I don't see him KO page. He has shown his chin is iffy and his striking while solid is not as good as Rampage's. He won't be able to take him down and even if he does Page will escape. I just don't think Rashad can beat Page, i think the best move for Rashad is to move down to 185.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

1. Save the knockdown in the third Rashad was clearly the faster, better striker. He was landing at will coming forward before the takedowns every time for two whole rounds. "clearly outstruck" ya ok pal.

2. He couldn't throw any ground strikes because he couldn't keep him on the ground hardly at all. He was constantly improving or trying to improve positions, but kept getting swept. He didn't lay on him at all did he?

The idea that Rashad wasn't trying to finish is silly and isn't supported in anything seen last night in the fight. If anyone wasn't trying to finish, it was Thiago after he rocked Rashad late. Not a great thread. Not even a good thread. Horrible thread, laced with healthy amounts of fail. People make themselves think anything when they dislike a fighter.


Where is flea and his/her failboats when you need them.

Just look that the stats Wolf. Thiago clearly outstruck Rashad every round.

Jesus I can't believe that fight metric data. Evans landed more than one body shot from memory, and certainly more than six strikes to the head.

Clearly my ass, he didn't land a significant strike until the third. Fight metric also says Bisping beat Hamill and is usually misleading anyway. The site is stupid and never really tells the story of how fights go.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Clearly my ass, he didn't land a significant strike until the third. Fight metric also says Bisping beat Hamill and is usually misleading anyway. The site is stupid and never really tells the story of how fights go.

No it didn't. Silva wont he stand up. Rashad won the fight because of his takedowns and octagon control.

Just watched the first round and Fight Metric was pretty accurate. Most of Rashad's punches didn't connect at all or were off of Silva's arm. Counted 9 strikes in total for Rashad landing and 25 landing cleanly for Silva.

Rashad came for points, Silva came to fight. Silva wins that fight in Japan since he was the only fighter to cause any significant damage at all in the fight.

Everyone bitches and moans about japanese scoring usually. Anyway, Rashad came to win. He was throwing punches, hard ones, Silva was just backing away from them, leaving himself open to be taken down. He had great scrambles. Did you fruits not see Evans try to pass, try to mount? He just couldn't.


There is clearly a difference in not being able to finish, and not trying to finish. Evans just wasn't able. I think he was a little gunshy post KO, though. He had some chances to land more punches but didnt pull the trigger.

page by ko... rashads chin is slowly turning into glass via chuck,wand,arvloski etc

Since when does getting rocked by a KO who has won nearly all of his fights by KO mean you have a glass chin?

Rashad was outstriking Thiago in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Also, despite not causing much damage from his takedowns, he was constantly trying to improve his position, while Thiago was constantly trying to get the fight back to his feet, which was the area where he had the best chance of winning. Rashad was unable to keep Thiago down because of Thiago's ground work. So, we are left with Rashad winning the first two rounds on his feet and in the wrestling department and the fight essentially being even in terms of bjj (they cancelled each other out - Thiago was able to get back up and Rashad couldnt keep him down after the takedowns). Then, Thiago clearly won the third round. Easy fight to score imo. However, this shouldnt be a situation where Rashad is labeled as a boring fighter. He tried to keep Thiago down, but couldnt. Should Thiago have won rounds because he was able to neutralize Rashad's ground attack while getting taken down at will and losing on his feet the first two rounds?

JimboJones1 wrote:

Rashad was outstriking Thiago in the 1st and 2nd rounds. Also, despite not causing much damage from his takedowns, he was constantly trying to improve his position, while Thiago was constantly trying to get the fight back to his feet, which was the area where he had the best chance of winning. Rashad was unable to keep Thiago down because of Thiago's ground work. So, we are left with Rashad winning the first two rounds on his feet and in the wrestling department and the fight essentially being even in terms of bjj (they cancelled each other out - Thiago was able to get back up and Rashad couldnt keep him down after the takedowns). Then, Thiago clearly won the third round. Easy fight to score imo. However, this shouldnt be a situation where Rashad is labeled as a boring fighter. He tried to keep Thiago down, but couldnt. Should Thiago have won rounds because he was able to neutralize Rashad's ground attack while getting taken down at will and losing on his feet the first two rounds?

If you count strikes landed Thiago landed alot more in the both rounds.

Here is Compustike for people who don't like fightmetric -

http://www.compustrike.com/stats.php?news=UFC_108%3A_Evans_vs._Silva&news_id=101&start=0&category_id=5&parent_id=5&arcyear=Y&arcmonth=M

Once again from watching the first two rounds Thiago outstruck Rashad by a wide margin. The stats on both sites could vouch for my assessment.

I see the numbers, but they seem misleading. Watching the fight, which ive done twice, it still seems to me that Evans got the better of the standup in the first 2 rounds. He seemed more accurate and faster.

The thing was he wasn't that accurate at all.