New P4P lists!

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LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Are Tims and GolbeZs lists for real?

Tim's 7-10 are classic.

Ya, his list is alright except Lesnar, Rampage, Rashad really don't belong IMO.

Lesnar biggest advantage is his size and with out that I don't think he would be that dominant. So that disqualifies him from being one of the P4P best.

Rampage isn't even a fighter anymore.

Rashad could make sense, but Shogun would have to be in front of him. Rashad had absolutely nothing for Machida while Shogun arguably beat him.

I dont consider Rampage retired just yet cause i dont think he is done and his only loss in the UFC is Forrest Griffin in a fight I thought he won. Brock is on the list cause he is on a roll and I believe will continue the heavyweight division for a while. Shields is a no brainer to me right now at 9 and I thought Shogun won the fight vs Machida but he didnt get the descion so I figured a loss was a loss. Thats why i picked Rashad at 10 cause before his loss to Machida I had him at like 5 so I didnt completely drop him off the list. That is my reasoning if it makes sense or not lol.

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Now you have me wondering who GDP has at 7... Bowles? Or was his intent to not get laughed at for having Brock there?

I got Brock at # 19.

#7 position is pending until I see a pirated version of The A Team

I got 19 WEC fighters that are better than Lesnar in a pound for pound sense. Take away Lesnar's size and he becomes a less good version of Ryan Bader or Joe Warren. These guys float between 50-100 on pound for pound lists.

Lesnar is AIDS.

01. Fedor Emelianenko
02. Anderson Silva
03. GSP
04. BJ Penn
05. Lyoto Machida
06. Mike Brown
07. Shogun
08. Gegard Mousasi
09. Rashad Evans
10. Dan Henderson

BJ has jumped back into the four spot for a lot of folks.

Your list looks good in a way freak, but then again over half your list fights at LHW, if all things were equal in size, would Rashad or Shogun or Dan really be better than a Miguel Torres, Jose Aldo, Urijah Faber, Kenny Florian, Eddie Alvarez, Sean Sherk or Gray Maynard?

Profile effects p4p rankings more than anything else.

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
4. Bj Penn
5. Machida
6. Shogun
7. MTB
8. Mousasi
9. Bowles
10. Dan Henderson

just miss.... Aoki, Faber, Swick, Marquardt

Wolfgangsta wrote:

BJ has jumped back into the four spot for a lot of folks.

Your list looks good in a way freak, but then again over half your list fights at LHW, if all things were equal in size, would Rashad or Shogun or Dan really be better than a Miguel Torres, Jose Aldo, Urijah Faber, Kenny Florian, Eddie Alvarez, Sean Sherk or Gray Maynard?

Profile effects p4p rankings more than anything else.

I do it based on how they go against others in their division mainly. Off course light heavyweights aren't going to be as quick and agile as smaller guys because it's not physically possible. I never watch weights lower than lightweight because they just don't interest me.

Then you've never watched them at all. The WEC puts on, in terms of pure action, the best fights in MMA. Someone else around here used to assbabble the same thing, then we made fun of him, then he watched WEC, then he confessed and repented.

There is literally no reason you wouldn't love the lower weights if you actually watched a WEC event or two. MMA at its greatest. Period.



Off topic - why formulate an opinion where you have no data? Why can't people just admit what they don't know?

Then you've never watched them at all. The WEC puts on, in terms of pure action, the best fights in MMA. Someone else around here used to assbabble the same thing, then we made fun of him, then he watched WEC, then he confessed and repented.

There is literally no reason you wouldn't love the lower weights if you actually watched a WEC event or two. MMA at its greatest. Period.



Off topic - why formulate an opinion where you have no data? Why can't people just admit what they don't know?

I don't watch them because in real life they wouldn't be able to take a puch from a normal 220 pound security guard with no mma training. I like to watch fights for realism.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I don't watch them because in real life they wouldn't be able to take a puch from a normal 220 pound security guard with no mma training. I like to watch fights for realism.

Ah yes, the truth comes out. You're a 220 pound fat slob threatened by little guys. Only men like that dislike the lower weights. Say this bullshit to Bob Sanders or Darren Sproles and see if you could take their punches, much less a punch from a highly trained martial artist at any weight.

As for realism, how realistic was Royce and Saku beating 220 pound guys who weight 50 pounds more than them, or Fedor trashing opponent after opponent weighing various multiples of 30 pounds more than him in all of his recent fights?

"I watch MMA for realism"

Ya, because you see banana splits and BJ Penn BJJ in everyday barfights right?

Your argument would hold weight if you said perhaps "I only like watching untalented fat out of shape slobs underperform while Rampage makes an ass of himself on TUF".. I watch MMA for martial arts action. Not because I am a fat loser who is threatened by guys who weight 100 pounds less than me clearly demonstrating a skillset that would humilate me infront of my equally overweight hog of a girlfriend who insists for whatever ungodly reason to torture the rest of us with her belly shirts and spagetti strap tanktops that show her tramp stamps and stretch mark laden spare tire that orbits her McDonalds stuffed abdomen.

Why don't you watch TUF man instead?

How many WEC events have you even watched?

1. Spider - No question he is the best
2. GSP - Has everything a fighter wants, except dominate KO power
3. Machida - Seemingly slipped against Rua in a toss up match
4. Fedor - Beat another nobody and didn't look good doing it
5. Penn - The most dominant LW...ever
6. Brown - Possibly the toughest guy on the list, with the worst tattoe
7. Brock - Kissing dead deer made him sick and made him slip down the rankings
8. Mousasi - Looked only capable against an average fighter
9. Rua - Proved to everybody that he is back and ready
10. Bowles - Mr. Upset himself

Damn Wolf, you really said it in your last post. What freakzilla doesn't realize is that a guy like Faber would take out any security guard he thinks is a badass, probably with nothing more then a quick double leg and a choke.

Whats real is that the WEC has consistently shown better overall fight cards then the UFC. Personally, I say bring on the 125lbs weight class. Fat, out of shape guys, whose only claim is that they are big and fat, as you said, feel insecure watching a man half their size who would make them their bitch lol. Honestly, Id put the 125lb'er from my college wrestling team against any 220lbs guy who doesnt train, any day of the week, and it would be no contest.

Wolfgangsta wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

I don't watch them because in real life they wouldn't be able to take a puch from a normal 220 pound security guard with no mma training. I like to watch fights for realism.

Ah yes, the truth comes out. You're a 220 pound fat slob threatened by little guys. Only men like that dislike the lower weights. Say this bullshit to Bob Sanders or Darren Sproles and see if you could take their punches, much less a punch from a highly trained martial artist at any weight.

As for realism, how realistic was Royce and Saku beating 220 pound guys who weight 50 pounds more than them, or Fedor trashing opponent after opponent weighing various multiples of 30 pounds more than him in all of his recent fights?

"I watch MMA for realism"

Ya, because you see banana splits and BJ Penn BJJ in everyday barfights right?

Your argument would hold weight if you said perhaps "I only like watching untalented fat out of shape slobs underperform while Rampage makes an ass of himself on TUF".. I watch MMA for martial arts action. Not because I am a fat loser who is threatened by guys who weight 100 pounds less than me clearly demonstrating a skillset that would humilate me infront of my equally overweight hog of a girlfriend who insists for whatever ungodly reason to torture the rest of us with her belly shirts and spagetti strap tanktops that show her tramp stamps and stretch mark laden spare tire that orbits her McDonalds stuffed abdomen.

Why don't you watch TUF man instead?

How many WEC events have you even watched?

I weigh 190 pounds. I'm not afraid of anybody especially some prick that thinks he's funny on the net like you. If I want to watch small guys fight i'd watch midget wrestling. Also, it's not nice calling your mum an overweight hog.

Great list Noregret and GolbeZ... I hope ur joking.

You're probably a fat 190, which means you'd have to fight at 155 or lower if you were strong enough to raise your arm above your malformed melon and were an actual fighter.

redvexx8 wrote:

Great list Noregret and GolbeZ... I hope ur joking.

did you read? or did stop at mine and commented.. to save you from going back and "reading" .. yes mine was a joke.

besides p4p lists are quite stupid IMO anyway if you really want to get into it.

#1 Anderson Silva
#2 GSP
#3 BJ Penn
#4 Lyoto Machida
#5 Gegard Mousasi

Honorable mentions Shogun,Faber,Sheilds

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You're probably a fat 190, which means you'd have to fight at 155 or lower if you were strong enough to raise your arm above your malformed melon and were an actual fighter.

I go to the gym 4 times a week and bench 330 pounds. You call other people fat because you're really a fat fuck. Your mum even told me so.

I still think GSP, Anderson, and Fedor are interchangable at the top. I guess the only thing you can give Fedor over the other two is he finishes fights and finishes them quick where the other two have had decisions recently. Fedor didn't anything against Rogers that I didn't already know

Ali_1748 wrote:

#1 Anderson Silva
#2 GSP
#3 BJ Penn
#4 Lyoto Machida
#5 Gegard Mousasi

Honorable mentions Shogun,Faber,Sheilds

Damn Ali, even Andrew has Fedor in the top-5...

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Wolfgangsta wrote:

You're probably a fat 190, which means you'd have to fight at 155 or lower if you were strong enough to raise your arm above your malformed melon and were an actual fighter.

I go to the gym 4 times a week and bench 330 pounds. You call other people fat because you're really a fat fuck. Your mum even told me so.

Oh yeah... Well my dad can beat up your dad...

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

#1 Anderson Silva
#2 GSP
#3 BJ Penn
#4 Lyoto Machida
#5 Gegard Mousasi

Honorable mentions Shogun,Faber,Sheilds

Damn Ali, even Andrew has Fedor in the top-5...

If I am not mistaken Ali said he doesnt put HWs in his p4p lists, because p4p was created so lower weighted guys get credit and isnt just dominated by heavy's

but, one thing is that Fedor is a small HW.. I mean middleweight fighters are taller than him..

LikesToFightGuy wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

#1 Anderson Silva
#2 GSP
#3 BJ Penn
#4 Lyoto Machida
#5 Gegard Mousasi

Honorable mentions Shogun,Faber,Sheilds

Damn Ali, even Andrew has Fedor in the top-5...

I don't like putting heavyweights in my p4p lists it ruins the whole concept of p4p. It's not that I don't rate Fedor I think he's a fantastic mixed martial artist.