Will Brock Lesnar ever make the top 10 P4P lists?

Or is his size always going to count against him?

Well, size advantage aside. He has only been in 5 fights. What do you want?

He'll make farmers lists sure. Real ones, never ever.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Well, size advantage aside. He has only been in 5 fights. What do you want?

I didn't mean now. If he destroys Carwin and every other heavyweight in the UFC would he make it or is his size always going to keep him out?

That's a huge if. But yes his size will. Ever see Tim Sylvia on any pound for pound lists?

Ok this is gonna sound stupid but try to follow me here.
If brocks "skill" was spread evenly throughout his body and then you chopped him up into 1 lbs pieces and then compared it to one lbs pieces from anderson silva, fedor, machida and so on down the line of top p4p I think there would be a hell of alot more skill in the others. Brock is good BECAUSE of his size, not inspite of it.

Easy NO!

mannyfresh wrote:

Ok this is gonna sound stupid but try to follow me here.
If brocks "skill" was spread evenly throughout his body and then you chopped him up into 1 lbs pieces and then compared it to one lbs pieces from anderson silva, fedor, machida and so on down the line of top p4p I think there would be a hell of alot more skill in the others. Brock is good BECAUSE of his size, not inspite of it.

That's actually pretty well put

If he stops Cain and JDS while showing better skill then strength, it will be tough not to give him some consideration.

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

That is no surprise though.

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

Come on man, he is 1,000 spots above Brock on a P4P list.

I just don't see him ever making a p4p list...not a legitimate one anyways

Ziggy116 wrote:

I just don't see him ever making a p4p list...not a legitimate one anyways

smart man. Well smart atleast.

I think he'd make one eventually if he defended the title like 4 or 5 more times

Size will always play a factor because if Lesnar was at an even weight with a real p4p fighter, like say GSP...or say you have a 265 pound muscle bound guy with GSP skills. Would Brock even put up a fight?

P4P is about skills. People forget that. You stick Brock Lesnar's skills and discount his physical size in the body of a WW, LW, etc, he would be nobody in any division except HW...because HW is where size will always play a factor. That is why HW are rarely added to P4P lists unless they are clearly multi-faceted like Fedor and made a career at HW beating guys bigger than him...but as you see a lot of websites that do p4p treated Fedor like any other HW as soon as he lost.

Now before any nuthuggers come crying, That's not a wip on bwock it's just the facts and anybody who thinks Lesnar is a P4P talent has zero grasp on what P4P is.

Don't get me wrong. If Brock clearly rounds out his skills then he might make an arguement but as long as he's only truly effective when smothering his opponent because of his SIZE, he might continue winning in weight class that can have up to a 45 pound gap at the weigh ins but he won't really be making an arguement for P4P.

Brock is Anti-P4P

He'll have to go on one incredible run to make the top 10, still the best HW in the World though.

I'd give Brock consideration only if he were to face a bunch of talented guys his size. But their ain't many like him out there. And the one dude he did face that was of equal size, was wooping his ass.

KingsOwn19 wrote:

Size will always play a factor because if Lesnar was at an even weight with a real p4p fighter, like say GSP...or say you have a 265 pound muscle bound guy with GSP skills. Would Brock even put up a fight?

P4P is about skills. People forget that. You stick Brock Lesnar's skills and discount his physical size in the body of a WW, LW, etc, he would be nobody in any division except HW...because HW is where size will always play a factor. That is why HW are rarely added to P4P lists unless they are clearly multi-faceted like Fedor and made a career at HW beating guys bigger than him...but as you see a lot of websites that do p4p treated Fedor like any other HW as soon as he lost.

Now before any nuthuggers come crying, That's not a wip on bwock it's just the facts and anybody who thinks Lesnar is a P4P talent has zero grasp on what P4P is.

I don't see P4P as being only about Skill. Power and speed relative to ones weight are also major considerations.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

Come on man u just lost respect for that LOL.