Will Brock Lesnar ever make the top 10 P4P lists?

Like I said, if he continues to beat the competition while showing a skill that improves and surpasses his strength in power, I give him consideration.

How can brock not make it? Except for some D-bags ranking Werdum in it, just so they can shove Fedor in right behind him? Absolutely insane.

An Excellent pic of Fedor preparing to spar

OU wrote:

Ziggy116 wrote:

I just don't see him ever making a p4p list...not a legitimate one anyways

smart man. Well smart atleast.

Can't ever just be a nice guy can you?

Brock wins based on size. No way could he be on a p4p list. Why is this hard for people to grasp?

timthebim wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

Come on man u just lost respect for that LOL.

So you're saying Diaz is a top 20 p4p?

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

timthebim wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

Come on man u just lost respect for that LOL.

So you're saying Diaz is a top 20 p4p?

It's not a crazy notion. Looking very much like a poor man's silva right now.

Ziggy116 wrote:

OU wrote:

Ziggy116 wrote:

I just don't see him ever making a p4p list...not a legitimate one anyways

smart man. Well smart atleast.

Can't ever just be a nice guy can you?

What?

Diaz is possibly a top ten P4P. His wrestling needs tested but his striking and guard are both good enough to overlook that possible hole. He has a legitimate and dangerous guard which wards off a lot of takedowns. Nick Diaz is just good. Have to admit it.

Getting enough high level guys for him to fight could stall him in the near future. But he is a guy that has really crept into near elite status over the last couple of years. I actually think the KJ fight was a decent setback though even, in the win.

The KJ fight was his most impressive performance. He truly validated himself as a high level MMA striker. We already know his transitions and submissions are top five in MMA. Now his striking is top five in the division. That level of well roundedness is pound for pound quality.

GDPofDRC wrote:

Getting enough high level guys for him to fight could stall him in the near future. But he is a guy that has really crept into near elite status over the last couple of years. I actually think the KJ fight was a decent setback though even, in the win.

Setback? I thought he established that he has some of the best striking in MMA.

Future matchups with Daley, Cyborg, Saffeidine, could further cement that status.

Wrestlers like Woodley and Coy should test his wrestling, as would a rematch with Riggs.

Bowling and Siyar Bahadurzada are a couple of very good looking up and comers.

Moving up and beating Mayhem prob gets him on many p4p lists.

I think there are plenty of high quality matchups for Nick in SF.

Surprised his wrestling, or at least his takedowns, have not shown much improvement considering he works with Shields and Gil.

Not one top ten opponent on the horizon helps maintain but makes it difficult to progress very far, Jake Sheilds being the perfect example, he is only recently getting p4p consideration. I don’t consider Daley top 13.
Noons, not even a LW top 20, had never fought at 170, boxing or MMA, is a one dimensional fighter and landed a lot more good shots with a busted face for 22 minutes. Diaz barely got the round he needed to win that fight. He didn't move forward in my book after that fight in terms of any kind of ranking. He maintained.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

timthebim wrote:

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

OU wrote:

bobbitt15 wrote:

Rashad and Kenny both had him in theirs on MMA live a couple weeks back

How many non-UFC fighters made their list? Just curious, I have no clue I never saw the list.

Kenny had Nick Diaz on his and Rashad had Fedor on his. That might've been it

Well Kenny's losses respect when he has Diaz in his top 10. He isn't even top 20.

Come on man u just lost respect for that LOL.

So you're saying Diaz is a top 20 p4p?

Oh boy, ok...just for kicks...let's see your top 20 p4p.

GSP
Anderson Silva
Frankie Edgar
Jose Aldo
Mauricio Rua
Fedor Emelianenko
Lyoto Machida
BJ Penn
Jon Fitch
Rashad Evans
Jake Shields
Gray Maynard
Dominic Cruz
Gilbert Melendez
Cain Velasquez
Jon Jones
Brock Lesnar
JDS
Fabricio Werdum
Quinton Jackson
Nate Marquardt
Vitor Belfort
Josh Koscheck

That's more than 20 off the top of my head that are higher than Diaz on the p4p lists. Now man up and put your top 20.

P4P is different then just saying these are the top guys in the World, you have to pretty much invision they are all the same size, and then take their skillsets into account, wins obviously get consideration too.

Brock cannot be higher P4P, Brock is Anti-P4P, he wins with size and strength (and remember size varies the most in the HW division), he certainly has great wrestling, but if were in a different division, how good would he be?

Tim Sylvia won for the exact same reasons but I don't remember him having as many P4P supporters. Do you?

LA wrote:

P4P is different then just saying these are the top guys in the World, you have to pretty much invision they are all the same size, and then take their skillsets into account, wins obviously get consideration too.

Brock cannot be higher P4P, Brock is Anti-P4P, he wins with size and strength (and remember size varies the most in the HW division), he certainly has great wrestling, but if were in a different division, how good would he be?

Thanks for that description. No one knew what p4p meant. He beat couture with size and strength, Hearing with wrestling and Carwin with finesse and skill. He's beating the best in his division and is higher than Diaz p4p. He's not top 10 but he's top 20.