After that Fedor performance

Do you give Brock a better or worse chance of beating Fedor? Also, was that Fedor's 1st ever fight in a cage?

I would say worse considering I now think Fedor doesn't even need to sub Lesnar to win.

Yes.

After that performance I think Brocks chances are the same. He will still be the underdog with a legit chance to win if he keeps progressing the way he has been.

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

I would say worse considering I now think Fedor doesn't even need to sub Lesnar to win.

Yes.

Thats how I feel about it. I think Fedor would knock him out just as easily as he would submit him.

Being as I thought Grim was better than Brock anyways I would say worse. I am not sold on Brock in the least. He was loosing to Randy before he caught him and Nog wiped the floor with Randy.

Grim should leave strikeforce right now and sign with UFC.

But Fedor was losing this fight before he landed that shot. I seriously thought Fedor was going to be pounded out when Grim was on top of him in the first. If it's Brock or Shane in that position then the fight is over. It was an amazing finish, but hardly Fedor's best performance. He couldn't sub Grim who has no ground game that we know of. Imagine what Brock or Shane could have done in those positions.

boomer sooner wrote:

But Fedor was losing this fight before he landed that shot. I seriously thought Fedor was going to be pounded out when Grim was on top of him in the first. If it's Brock or Shane in that position then the fight is over. It was an amazing finish, but hardly Fedor's best performance. He couldn't sub Grim who has no ground game that we know of. Imagine what Brock or Shane could have done in those positions.

I love how this gets said after every fedor fight... "he WAS losing before he ripped his arm off" .. "he WAS losing before he knocked his face into the first row" ..

he had that fight won when he walked down the ramp..

Grim hits just as hard or harder than those two, and I too thought he was pounded out there(ive never been so terrified watching an MMA fight in my life), but he wasn't losing the fight over all. Fedor had him rocked twice in the first before he finished him and had multiple takedowns. It was close, but Fedor was winning anyway.

boomer sooner wrote:

But Fedor was losing this fight before he landed that shot. I seriously thought Fedor was going to be pounded out when Grim was on top of him in the first. If it's Brock or Shane in that position then the fight is over. It was an amazing finish, but hardly Fedor's best performance. He couldn't sub Grim who has no ground game that we know of. Imagine what Brock or Shane could have done in those positions.

Losing the fight? Are you serious? Rewatch the fight. Grim only landed a jab and only 2 shots from that gnp really landed in the first round.

ohiovol62 wrote:

Being as I thought Grim was better than Brock anyways I would say worse. I am not sold on Brock in the least. He was loosing to Randy before he caught him and Nog wiped the floor with Randy.

Grim isnt better than Brock sorry.

timthebim wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Being as I thought Grim was better than Brock anyways I would say worse. I am not sold on Brock in the least. He was loosing to Randy before he caught him and Nog wiped the floor with Randy.

Grim isnt better than Brock sorry.

Well this we know for sure. Rogers has trained MMA longer than Brock, Rogers has more MMA fight experience than Brock, and Rogers has much better stand up than Brock. Brock V Rogers would be an interesting fight (for the same reason that Brock-Carwin will be interesting). Basically Brock's best attribute (being a huge freak) would be somewhat neutralized because Rogers is about the same size. I'd LOVE to see a fight between Rogers and Brock because it'd be even money.

I don't see even money. I see easy money.

I see Brock taking it the ground and keeping it there. He'll have zero to worry about as far as subs so he can goto town with punches and elbows.

ohiovol62 wrote:

Being as I thought Grim was better than Brock anyways I would say worse. I am not sold on Brock in the least. He was loosing to Randy before he caught him and Nog wiped the floor with Randy.

You know nothing about MMA do you? Grim is not better than Brock and he was never losing to Randy.

Right now I think Fedor beats him but by the time he ends up being in the UFC Brock will have improved vastly and father time will be catching up with Fedor.

The difference between Brock and Grim is WRESTLING! Grim would get ripped to the ground and abused the way Heath Herring was by Brock and I think Grim is good, but you have to have great wrestling or BJJ to beat Brock.

I think the broken nose and cut, plus Fedor's inability to control Brett on the ground made me think he was losing the round. He knocked Brett down a couple of times, but I'm not sure if they were shots that dazed Grim so much as they knocked him off balance -- kind of like Chuck and Wanderlei. I'm not sure how judges would have viewed that. On second thought Fedor probably was winning the round, but it was still close.

Punch to the face + fall down = knockdown. Knockdowns are knockdowns. However, Grim was rocked, twice in that round.

I don't see how this fight changes anything, or has anything to do with Brock.

Props to Grim for making is to Round 2 and putting up a fight in the first round, but (including AA) Grim's competition has a combined record of 58-72. Fedor was a 9:1 favorite at one point, which is insane - Anderson Silva peaked at a 6:1 favorite over Thales Leites. I bet on MMA fights regularly and that's the highest I've *ever* seen for a fight. Usually when something is that lopsided they don't let anyone make bets on it because it becomes a huge risk for the bookmakers.

I hope Fedor rips Brocks arm off and beats him over the head with it, but Fedor beating Grim Rogers doesn't really mean anything...

Edit: After digging deeper I found that Fedor was also a 9:1 favorite over Hong Man Choi. Freakin' HMC was as big of an underdog against Fedor as Rogers was. Fedor winning here is NOT the earth shattering event some want it to be...

boomer sooner wrote:

But Fedor was losing this fight before he landed that shot. I seriously thought Fedor was going to be pounded out when Grim was on top of him in the first. If it's Brock or Shane in that position then the fight is over. It was an amazing finish, but hardly Fedor's best performance. He couldn't sub Grim who has no ground game that we know of. Imagine what Brock or Shane could have done in those positions.

Fedor was absolutly not losing. Watch the fight again. Fedor bout had him in the 1st round. Fedor won that first round

1) Fedor was not losing this fight. Watch the fight again. With the exception of the first jab thrown by Rogers and the 4 seconds of ground and pound, from Fedor's full guard, Rogers was more or less ineffective, unless you consider making it to the second round effective.

2) Objectively speaking, Fedor looked slower in this fight then he normally does in my opinion.

3) Brock would be a matchup nightmare for Rogers. One takedown, followed by ground and pound. To the poster who said Rogers has more experience and would neutralize Brock's freak size, I can't disagree more. Brock's collegiate wrestling background counts in my book as having more experience. There is a reason why top mma fighters are elite in at least one discipline, whereas Rogers is not (BJ - bjj, GSP - wrestling, Silva - Muay Thai, Machida - Karate, Brock - wrestling, Fedor - sambo, Mousassi - kickboxing, Sheilds - wrestling/bjj, etc.)

4) I think Fedor's performance gives a guy like Brock more confidence. For example, Fedor can be bullied against the cage, and almost was for 20 seconds by a guy with not even a half a shred of the wrestling ability that Brock has. Also, Fedor was unable to hold Rogers down and sub him, which would certainly be more difficult to do against Brock. Sure, Fedor could ko Brock, and I would probably predict that, but Brock would definitely have a chance.

Ok, I was over stepping by saying that Rogers has more MMA experience than Brock. But I do think Rogers looked pretty good from his back. He reversed Fedor's Kimura attempt for a couple of reasons: 1. his size and strength (that's also how he pulle himself out of the armbar attempt and the choke). 2. Fedor over committed giving up his body position and allowing Rogers to do the obvious counter; to roll his hips and end up in top position. I don't think Rogers size would neutralize Brock's size, but I think Rogers is big enough and strong enough to make it more difficult for Brock to keep him down.

Brock is experienced because of his wrestling, but he's still green as is Rogers. Brock had no business standing with Randy in their fight. He got cut in the first round when he should've just taken him down and smothered him. If he got caught by Rogers, it'd be the end of the fight.

I was impressed with Grim's performance, considerig his lack of grappling experience, which Lesnar has hands down. I still think Brock would have a solid shot at beating Fedor, but I doubt we will ever know.

ChaoscamelWV wrote:

Ok, I was over stepping by saying that Rogers has more MMA experience than Brock. But I do think Rogers looked pretty good from his back. He reversed Fedor's Kimura attempt for a couple of reasons: 1. his size and strength (that's also how he pulle himself out of the armbar attempt and the choke). 2. Fedor over committed giving up his body position and allowing Rogers to do the obvious counter; to roll his hips and end up in top position. I don't think Rogers size would neutralize Brock's size, but I think Rogers is big enough and strong enough to make it more difficult for Brock to keep him down.

Brock is experienced because of his wrestling, but he's still green as is Rogers. Brock had no business standing with Randy in their fight. He got cut in the first round when he should've just taken him down and smothered him. If he got caught by Rogers, it'd be the end of the fight.

I was more impressed with Rogers ability to stand back up when Fedor had him down and escape the arm triangle attempt. When Fedor attempted the armbar from bottom, the cage hindered it, which is to be expected with someone who has never fought in those surroundings before. But, Fedor's kimura attempt and Roger's "reversal" was less impressive to me. In that position, if you have the kimura locked up, its irrelevant whether you are on top or bottom, which is why it is easy for the bottom guy to roll. But, Rogers did show excellent foward pressure when he reversed Fedor which made it impossible for Fedor to pull the arm out and execute the move.

With the Brock vs. Randy fight, Brock had no choice but to stand, at least for a while, because of Randy's wrestling background. The thing is, if two high level wrestlers are fighting, and one goes for broke to just take the fight to the ground, he will end up gassing himself out. Randy's wrestling was neutralizing Brock's advantage for a while there. Brock tried taking Randy down and did once or twice but was unsuccessful holding him down. Rogers is not Couture in terms of wrestling and I dont think Brock would have too much trouble with Rogers, as long as he fought a good gameplan.

ChaoscamelWV wrote:

timthebim wrote:

ohiovol62 wrote:

Being as I thought Grim was better than Brock anyways I would say worse. I am not sold on Brock in the least. He was loosing to Randy before he caught him and Nog wiped the floor with Randy.

Grim isnt better than Brock sorry.

Well this we know for sure. Rogers has trained MMA longer than Brock, Rogers has more MMA fight experience than Brock, and Rogers has much better stand up than Brock. Brock V Rogers would be an interesting fight (for the same reason that Brock-Carwin will be interesting). Basically Brock's best attribute (being a huge freak) would be somewhat neutralized because Rogers is about the same size. I'd LOVE to see a fight between Rogers and Brock because it'd be even money.

Brocks wrestling would neutralize grim and not to mention am I the only 1 that noticed how Fedor kind of threw Grim around abit easier than I would have thought? He is no match for Brock accept for the way he had a shot against Fedor, which was the big 1 punch KO. He wouldnt be able to stop Brocks takedowns at all and he would get punished for 3 rounds or even stopped by Brocks GNP.

Brocks wrestling would neutralize grim and not to mention am I the only 1 that noticed how Fedor kind of threw Grim around abit easier than I would have thought? He is no match for Brock accept for the way he had a shot against Fedor, which was the big 1 punch KO. He wouldnt be able to stop Brocks takedowns at all and he would get punished for 3 rounds or even stopped by Brocks GNP.[i]

I concur with that, though I would root for whoever was fighting Brock.