MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 2...

boomer sooner wrote:

Hatsu Hioki lost his last fight -- how is he number two then?

Joe Warren, Kid and Bibiano compete at 138 or 139 over at Dream. I'd call that Bantamweight.

Josh Grispi has to be in everyone's top ten.

Well if you don't like the others then make yours

1. Jose Aldo
Looks sick at this point.
2. Mike Brown
Aldo may have uncovered some holes.
3. Urijah Faber
I'd love to see him fight Aldo right away.
4. Josh Grispi
Has destroyed everyone he's faced including Jens Pulver.
5. Mackens Semerzier
Has dominated everyone he's faced, including the a guy that many thought should have gotten the title shot over Aldo in Wagnney Fabiano.
6. Rafael Assuncao
Only one loss that shoots up this list for being inactive and watching other guys lose.
7. Manvel Gamburyan
Can't say that I like the guy's style, but he'll rack up the wins.
8. Masanori Kanehara
Sengoku champ and beat Omigawa for the title.
9. Michihiro Omigawa
He had the hardest road in the Sengoku tournament and still knocked off Nam Phan and Marlon Sandro, then lost a split in the final. He beat Hioki, albeit it was close, and even he thought he lost.
10. Hatsu Hioki
Lost a heart-breaker, but still the fact that he couldn't dominate tells me he's not at the top. The whole Sengoku situation is a mess.

boomer sooner wrote:

Hatsu Hioki lost his last fight -- how is he number two then?

Joe Warren, Kid and Bibiano compete at 138 or 139 over at Dream. I'd call that Bantamweight.

Josh Grispi has to be in everyone's top ten.

I would watch the fight. It was a highway robbery. Hioki clearly won the fight.

Why does Grispi have to be in everyone's top 10? Because he beat a way past his prime Pulver?

1. Jose Aldo - He is just to good at timing guys for this class
2. Mackens Semerzier - guys 4-0 and subbed Fabiano fast, he is my number 2.
3. Mike Brown - Toug as nails wrestler 2-1, vs Faber and Aldo, clearly better than Faber, 4-1 last 5 fights.
4.Rapael Assuncao -6-0 in last 6 fights including victory over Joe Lauzon, who dusted Jens Pulver, who got older and got beaten twice by.......?....
5. Urijah Faber - ya he is fun to watch but he is 1-2 in his last 3 fights and thats not number 2 or 3 material IMO. 3-2 last 5 fights 2 wins over Jens Pulver, Im probably wrong but this is where I rank him.
6.Bibiano Fernandes - 5-0 in last 5 fights in Dream, Impressive. Think he has learned from the Faber fight
7. Manvel Ganvuryan
8. Hatsu Hioki
9. Wagnney Fabiano
10. Josh Grispi

Dont think I had to explain the last 4

I saw the fight and I thought Hioki won, but I didn't think it was one-sided either. I just have a hard time shaking that L next to his record. Either way, do you really think you can argue a number two ranking for the guy? Too many close calls for me to call him the #2.

Grispi has been tearing through that division regardless of Pulver. That guy looks the part and performs even better. I can understand why he's not in there, but I think you'll regret it in a year when he's contending for the title.

Overall I respect your ranknigs. I like it when guys go out on a limb and not just cut and paste whatever sherdog has. I used to take similar heat for having Machida as a top five LHW before he beat Sokoudjou. People used to just blast away at me.

hope no 1 wants to kick me in the nuts for having Faber number 5

Top 20 p4p.

Post a complete list, 1 - 20. If you posted a complete list in the hijacked thread specify here so your votes can be tracked down. Absolutely no complaining or whining will be tolerated in this thread.

1. Anderson Silva
2. Georges St. Pierre
3. Fedor Emelianenko
4. Shogun Rua
5. Jon Fitch
6. Thiago Alves
7. Jose Aldo
8. Dominic Cruz
9. Lyoto Machida
10. BJ Penn
11. Kenny Florian
12. Josh Koscheck
13. Chael Sonnen
14. Rashad Evans
15. Rampage Jackson
16. Frankie Edgar
17. Paulo Thiago
18. Nate Marquardt
19. Dan Hardy
20. Jake Shields

chork, no non zuffa fighters get p4p recognition from you? interesting

Wolfgangsta wrote:

chork, no non zuffa fighters get p4p recognition from you? interesting

Shields and Fedor. Aoki almost made it.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson
4. Shogun
5. Aldo
6. Edgar
7. Penn
8. Machida
9. Rampage
10. Shields
11. Fitch
12. Cruz
13. Alves
14. Florian
15. Sonnen
16. Belfort
17. Faber
18. Lil Nog
19. Koscheck
20. Alvarez

Actually bobbit, Eddie Alvarez might get some love from me too after the way he mauled Neer. Like others have said, I didn't imagine my opinion of Eddie would get much higher with a win over Neer, but I didn't expect him to be so impressive either. Eddie is the kind of fighter who could have been and would have been on various top 10 p4p lists at any time in the last two years, but since his loss to Aoki, despite his Bellator tournament and Dream 12 wins which were over mostly unknown and unranked opponents, he has been rather low profile. In the p4p universe, high level and impressive activity matters as much as w's and anything else. This fight reaffirms those who believe in Alvarez's standing as one of the top rising young lightweights outside the UFC.

bobbitt15 wrote:

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson
4. Aldo
5. Machida
6. Shogun
7. Edgar
8. Penn
9. Rampage
10. Shields
11. Fitch
12. Cruz
13. Alves
14. Florian
15. Sonnen
16. Belfort
17. Faber
18. Lil Nog
19. Koscheck
20. Alvarez

While this wouldn't be my list, it is a very respectable list B

I put it together pretty quickly. Was looking over trying to make sure I didn't have any glaring omissions

I think the complexion of the top ten will change in a top 20 setting because people will vote more honestly and be less governed by having to force guys into the top ten.

1 Fedor
2 Shogun
3 Silva
4 GSP
5 Aldo
6 BJ Penn
7 Shields
8 Cruz
9 Machida
10 Edgar
11 Rampage
12 Belfort
13 Kos
14 Alvarez
15 Alves
16 Fitch
18 Cain Valesquez
19 Mousasi
20 Melendez

Cain Velasquez might have a shot to make the top 20. Rare for a HW.

Def he will, I'd say Dos too

01. Anderson Silva
02. Fedor Emelienanko
03. Jose Aldo
04. Georges St Pierre- If he shows me he can finish fights with guys who had no business being in there with him in the first place he might move up again
05. Mauricio Rua
06. Jake Shields
07. BJ Penn
08. Jon Fitch
09. Lyoto Machida
10. Vitor Belfort
11. Nick Diaz
12. Kenny Florian
13. Dominick Cruz
14. Jon Jones
15. Thiago Alves
16. Manny Gamburyan
17. Mike Brown
18. Muhammed Lawal
19. Urijah Faber
20. Gegard Mousasi


Lyoto and Shogun trade places on My Top ten.

1 GSP
2 Anderson
3 Fedor
4 Aldo
5 Edgar
6 Machida
7 Shogun
8 Penn
9 Fitch
10 Alves
11 Maynard
12 Koscheck
13 Lesnar
14 Cruz
15 Evans
16 Faber
17 Belfort
18 F Griffin
19 Mousasi
20 Hughes

1. GSP
2. Spider
3. Fedor
4. Shogun
5. Aldo
6. John Fitch
7. Machida
8. Edgar
9. Jake Shields
10. BJ Penn
11. Rampage
12. Vitor Belfort
13. Koscheck
14. Florian
15. Thiago Alves
16. Cruz
17. Sonnen
18. Rashad Evans
19. Mousasi
20. Cain Velasquez

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson
4. Jose Aldo
5. Machida
6. Shogun
7. Frankie Edgar
8. Bj Penn
9. Jon Fitch
10. Cain Velasquez
11. Thiago Alves
12. Nick Diaz
13. Kenny Florian
14. Dominick Cruz
15. Urijah Faber
16. Lil Nog
17. Jon Jones
18. King Mo
19. Gegard
20. Vitor Belfort

This is going to be an interesting poll.

1) Fedor
2) GSP
3) Anderson Silva
4) Shogun Rua
5) BJ Penn
6) Jose Aldo
7) Lyoto Machida
Jake Shields
9) John Fitch
10) Frankie Edgar
11) Jon Jones
12) Ben Henderson
13) Rashad Evans
14) Muhammed Lawal
15) Paulo Thiago
16) Gilbert Melendez
17) Eddie Alvarez
18) Dominick Cruz
19) Kenny Florian
20) Josh Koscheck

a)why is this in the pickem Board?

b)I made my list in the hijaked post. do I need to re-do?