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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:27 am

My biggest problem with the tweet was that it wasn't even remotely funny
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:30 am

bobbitt15 wrote:
My biggest problem with the tweet was that it wasn't even remotely funny
My biggest problem is you can't justify this as more offensive then what Forrest and Rashad said. So the context of what Torres said is not the primary reason for him being cut. So you have a hard time explaining this as anything other then Torres being the fall guy, which is bullshit.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:32 am

Well Forrest's explanation actually made sense, even though it was a dumb way to phrase it. The Rashad thing isn't really defensible though.

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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:35 am

I think if the UFC really wanted to be dicks, why not give Torres a suspension? Maybe even a 1 year suspension? That would still be too harsh.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:38 am

OU wrote:
I think if the UFC really wanted to be dicks, why not give Torres a suspension? Maybe even a 1 year suspension? That would still be too harsh.
i know right? this just baffled me, it really seems like he's taking the heat for what Shads comments and maybe even Griffins...
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 11:44 am

Dana's just jealous that Miguel can grow a badass mullet unlike him.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 12:41 pm

I am sorry, but this is complete Bullshit! Torres has done more for this company than most of the Prima Donna's on the roster and deserves better treatment.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 1:23 pm

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Oh, and if Torres would have
realized what it would do to victims, I'm sure he wouldn't have done
it. So don't go too hard on him, its a Joke that went wrong. If u
wanna make a sick joke, do it with u'r close buddies from who u KNOW its
OK, don't share it with the world, end!
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 2:02 pm

First Dana White fucks up and then David Stern. The explanations given by both aren't fooling anyone. You made a mistake.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 2:32 pm

if Miguel made the joke first, followed by Rashad then Forrest, would Forrest get fired?
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 2:33 pm

GDPofDRC wrote:
if Miguel made the joke first, followed by Rashad then Forrest, would Forrest get fired?
We all know the answer to that, which makes Dana's argument insulting.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 2:34 pm

OU wrote:
GDPofDRC wrote:
if Miguel made the joke first, followed by Rashad then Forrest, would Forrest get fired?
We all know the answer to that, which makes Dana's argument insulting.

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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 3:39 pm

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OK, it's getting out of hand again, haha, people don't READ what I say, I
didn't say it was, or wasn't funny, let's be very clear about this!
ALL I am saying, is that he made a comment that is wrong to people who have been involved in a rape.
If you say "you are a stupid retard", you better make sure that you
don't say that in a group from where one person has a mentally
challenged family member, because to them, that comment is not funny, no
matter in what sentence you use it.
I wouldn't care less if a friend of mine would say that while we are out
with a bunch of guys, but I DO understand that it can hurt people who
"overhear" it.

Now other people say, "Oh, they have to lighten up, we don't mean that
word (retard) so bad". well, that's for them, if THEY would have a
family member who's mentally challenged, they might be thinking
different, OR they might not. Because I'm sure that there are people out
there, who DO have a family member that's mentally challenged, but
don't care when somebody uses the word "retard", but that's THEM, and
not the other ones who DO care.

My father told me a long time ago: "If you HAVE to talk bad about a person, make sure that person is not in the room".

With the internet, that "room" becomes the world.

If Miguel Torres would have said that comment in my group of friends, I
am sure I would have laughed at it, because I KNOW it's a joke. But if I
would known at that moment, that one of my friends in the group had a
sister who got raped, I would have not felt so good. But that's me, I
care about that, I care about my friends, other people don't care, but
that's them, not me.

Another example, if you decide to make a "Hitler joke", (I'm saying YOU,
not ME, because many people will say that the word "HITLER and JOKE,
don't belong in the same sentence, but I'm trying to make a point), then
I hope you make sure you don't do it in front of a Jewish family who
lost some of their family members in the Holocaust.

Now if you decide to tweet that same joke to your "followers", you have
to understand that can have huge consequences. So all I am saying is,
with the internet being the world, and not just your "friends" or
"followers", watch out with what you write.

Listen, I laugh about sick stuff, a lot of my jokes are very sick, many
of my jokes I can NOT tweet because I know that there will be people,
who don't believe its funny.
I understand that, so I really make sure that I don't do that.

In Holland we have a way how we deal with big problems, we make jokes
about it, they are so shocking, that it is funny, so "over the top",
that people know it's a joke, and we are used to doing that. When I came
to the States I found out really fast, that what I think is funny, is
not funny at all to other people. So if I crack a bad joke in front of
my friends, well, they are my friends, they understand it's a joke, but
if somebody "overhears" that joke and is offended, it's on me and I have
to apologize. (I can also be an A-hole and say "Lighten up, it was a
joke", but I am not, I apologize)
If I decided to "Facebook" or "tweet" that same joke, I am going to have
a lot of apologizing to do, so I "filter" my jokes before I make them. I
learned this from past mistakes I made, trust me, I'm not perfect.

Ricky Gervais was hilarious at the Golden Globes, I thought he was, but I
also understood, (and I am sure all of you do), that many jokes were
very HARD to some people, but he's a comedian, he's allowed to do that.
If you listen to him and suddenly he offends you with something that
"hit home" for you, then you shouldn't be angry at him, because you KNEW
that this might happen, that's his job. Now people are gonna say, "I
don't think he's funny at all", well, then don't listen to him, flip the
channel, we're in a free country.

And I am there with many of you, people SHOULD lighten up a bit, but just see it from the other people's view as well.
If you had a family member who got raped years ago, you might have not
mind at all when Miguel made that comment, I mean, I know people who got
raped and I didn't think it was bad because I knew it was a joke. But
imagine you had a family member who got raped YESTERDAY and this whole
"situation" is going on. Police over the floor, your family member is
crying, other family members are crying, you are in a nightmare, and
THEN you read a comment like that, then suddenly what was considered to
be a JOKE becomes not funny funny at all.
(I always use extreme examples, because that works, so don't say "But it
didn't happen yesterday, you make that up", because you never know!)

So for the last time, THAT's all I am saying, that's what I meant with "put the shoe on the other foot".

That been said, I do believe that Miguel should get a second chance, I
think Rashad Evans comment was way up there as well. We all know that
it's a joke, I would have laughed at it as well, like one of these:
"Hahaha, WOW!". (Funny because it's shocking)
But if somebody in the audience there was one of those kids who got
touched by that coach, (or by any other one in the same situation), or
an audience member was the parent of one of those kids, I bet you that
HE/THEY wouldn't have thought it was funny.

Hopefully Dana realizes that he acted through emotions at the time. I
think he's been very clear, the UFC doesn't like these kinds of jokes,
point made, I am sure nobody will do it again. And if they DO decide to
make one, they now know the consequences and will get fired, Miguel
didn't know this.

Use my fathers advice "If you feel that you have to say something bad
about a person, just make sure that the person involved is not in the
room".

That counts for jokes as well, and again, the internet is not a closed room.

Last thing, if you have a sick joke for me, don't hesitate to tell me, I love sick jokes, just make sure who's listening.

Godspeed and party on!


PS, I tried to be as clear as possible, that's why all the examples,
please don't try to "break it down" and start a discussion, because you
know what I mean and I won't go in discussion. I have to say this
because if, God forbid, I even put in a grammar or spelling mistake,
some people go like "You misspelled this, or your grammar wasn't good",
(I'm not kidding, you really have those people) to those people "Lighten
up, you know what I mean!"
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 3:50 pm

i agree with what he's saying 100%, especially on Torres needing a second chance
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 3:59 pm

this is on the front page of yahoo.com
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:09 pm

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“I have a lot to be thankful for in my life, I have my beautiful wife and daughter, my family, my health, my gym, and in terms of my career, I succeeded to the biggest stage in the sport of mixed martial arts, the Ultimate Fighting Championship. I am very sorry for upsetting my bosses at the UFC, and also to my fans and everyone else who was upset by the language in my tweets. I understand it was wrong, and I meant no harm or disrespect. Given the chance, I will do whatever it takes to make things right. I am going to learn from this. I think life throws you opportunities that can make you a better person, and so that’s what I’m going to do here. That is how I am going to react. I am going to use this to improve myself, and I hope that my fans will continue to support me.”
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:11 pm

good shit!
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:13 pm

He'll be back
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:14 pm

i hope so, he didnt deserve to get das boot!
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:15 pm

bobbitt15 wrote:
He'll be back
He just has to gravel at Dana's feet and tell him how big his dick his. I think that is what Tito did.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:20 pm

Tito and Dana used to be best friends, remember? Just ask Tito
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:25 pm

bobbitt15 wrote:
Tito and Dana used to be best friends, remember? Just ask Tito
Yeah I know, they use to sword fight all the time. But then Tito's sword got all rusty and that's when the drama started. True story.
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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:25 pm

Comment From Iain from Glasgow
I wonder if Miguel Torres' firing came as a surprise to him. Hope so, since everyone likes surprises, right?

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PostSubject: Re: Miguel Torres cut from UFC   Miguel Torres cut from UFC - Page 2 EmptyFri Dec 09, 2011 4:32 pm

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I wonder if Miguel Torres' firing came as a surprise to him. Hope so, since everyone likes surprises, right?

I lol'd



ok, now that was funny
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