MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

1 Fedor
2 Spider
3 GSP
4 Machida
5 Aldo
6 Dominick Cruz
7 Frankie Edgar
8 BJ Penn
9 Shogun
10 Shields

For Wolf

11 Conan O'Brian
12 Jim Gaffigan
13 Daniel Tosh
14 Nick Swardson
15 Zack Galifianakis
16 Mitch Hedgburg
17 Patton Oswalt
18 Louis C.K.
19 Aziz Ansari
20 Stephen Colbert

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Agre with the Stevenson comment, how do we know he doesn't.

Well Joe Daddy probably wouldnt fight Cerrone. And Bendo would probably guillotine him too.

LW
1. Edgar
2. Penn
3. Florian
4. Melendez
5. Maynard
6. Alvarez
7. Aoki
8. Sherk
9. Griffin
10. Henderson

FW
1. Aldo
2. Gamburyan
3. Faber
4. Brown
5. Assuncao
6. Grispi
7. Mendes
8. Semerzier
9. Omigawa
10. Fernandes

BW
1. Cruz
2. Bowles
3. Benavidez
4. Jorgensen
5. Torres
6. Mizugaki
7. Fabiano
8. Page
9. Escoveda
10. Yahya

LW
Penn
Edgar
Maynard
Florian
Melendez
Tyson Griffin
Aoki
Kawajiri
Ben Henderson
Sherk

1. Fedor
2. Anderson
3. GSP
4. Aldo
5. Machida
6. Shogun
7. Shields
8. Edgar
9. BJ
10. Fitch

1. Fedor
2. Spider
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Aldo
6. BJ Penn
7. Shogun
8. Fitch
9. Shields
10. Rashad Evans

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Anderson
4. Aldo
5. Machida
6. Shogun
7. Edgar
8. Penn
9. Rampage
10. Shields

LW-
1. Edgar
2. BJ
3. KenFlo
4. Melendez
5. Aoki
6. Alvarez
7. Maynard
8. Kawajiri
9. Diego
10. Hirota

FW-
1. Aldo
2. Bibiano
3. Faber
4. Manny
5. MTB
6. Omigawa
7. Hioki
8. Kanehara
9. Grispi
10. Sandro

BW-
1. Cruz
2. Benavidez
3. Bowles
4. Jorgensen
5. Mizugaki
6. Imanari
7. Torres
8. Page
9. Fabiano
10. Katsumura

FW:
1. Aldo
2. Manvel
3. MTB
4. Faber
5. Bibiano
6. Assuncao
7. Hioki
8. Kanehara
9. Sandro
10. Grispi

BW:
1. Cruz
2. Bowles
3. Benavidez
4. Torres
5. Jorgensen
6. Mizugaki
7. Page
8. Katsumara
9. Wagney
10. Ueda

LW:
1. Gray Maynard
2. Frankie Edgar
3. BJ Penn
4. Gilbert Melendez
5. Shinya Aoki
6. Sean Sherk
7. Kenny Florian
8. Eddie Alvarez
9. Tyson Griffin
10. Benson Henderson

FW:
1. Jose Aldo

2. Manny Gamburyan
3. Mike Brown
4. Urijah Faber
5. Raphael Assuncao
6. Hatsu Hioki
7. Michihiro Omigawa
8. Masanori Kanehara
9. Marlon Sandro
10. LC Davis

BW:
1. Domonic Cruz
2. Brian Bowles
3. Joseph Benevidez
4. Bibiano Fernandes*
5. Joachim Hansen*
6. Miguel Torres
7. Damacio Page
8. Scott Jorgenson
9. Shuichiro Katsumura
10. Takeya Mizugaki

*Dream's FW division competes at 138 lbs.

#1 BJ Penn
#2 Frankie Edger
#3 KenFlo
#4 Gilbert Melendez
#5 Ben Henderson
#6 Aoki
#7 Gray Maynard
#8 Tyson Griffin
#9 Eddie Alvarez
#10 Nate Diaz

LW-
1. BJ
2. Edgar
3. Melendez
4. KenFlo
5. Aoki
6. Alvarez
7. Maynard
8. Henderson
9. Kawajiri
10. Soto

FW-
1. Aldo
2. Bibiano
3. Manny
4. Faber
5. MTB
6. Omigawa
7. Hioki
8. Kanehara
9. Grispi
10. Sandro

BW-
1. Cruz
2. Benavidez
3. Jorgensen
4. Bowels
5. Mizugaki
6. Imanari
7. Torres
8. Page
9. Fabiano
10. Katsumura

LW
1.BJ
2.Edgar
3.Gray
4.Sherk
5.Tyson
6.Florian
7.Gilbert
8.Aoki
9.Eddie Alvarez
10.Ben Henderson

FW
1.Aldo
2.Manny
3.MTB
4.Faber
5.Bibiano
6.Assuncao
7.Hansen
8.Hioki
9.Sandro
10.Grispi

1 Fedor
2 GSP
3 Silva
4 Aldo
5 Shogun
6 Machida
7 BJ Penn
8 Shields
9 Cruz
10 Edgar

while I don't agree with Bird about Bendo top 10, his point about Bendo/Cruz is spot on.

Reality, Cruz is beating the top guys in his division, is Bendo? not even close, Plus Cruz was a real good FW first

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Reality, Cruz is beating the top guys in his division, is Bendo? not even close, Plus Cruz was a real good FW first

but I can doubt the talent in a division. And Cruz's work at 145 is very suspect. In the fight b4 getting choked out by Uriah in 1.5 mins in his 1st wec fight, Cruz beat some guy whose record stands at 11-11.

Faber is a better p4p fighter then cruz.

So he's a fighter who can fight for the title at 145, then win the Title at 135 fighting the best at those weight classes in the World, sounds like a top P4P guy to me, plus we were talking about him to Bendo, not Faber.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

So he's a fighter who can fight for the title at 145, then win the Title at 135 fighting the best at those weight classes in the World, sounds like a top P4P guy to me, plus we were talking about him to Bendo, not Faber.

come on, who did he fight to deserve that title fight vs Faber(the one in which he was finished in under 2 mins)?

And the correlation to faber is clear. Faber, like Bendo, is not top 10, and faber is a better fighter then Cruz, and thus cruz should not be top 10.

Cruz has 2 noteworthy wins. that does not make one top 10 p4p.

GolbeZ wrote:

1 Fedor
2 Spider
3 GSP
4 Machida
5 Aldo
6 Dominick Cruz
7 Frankie Edgar
8 BJ Penn
9 Shogun
10 Shields

For Wolf

11 Conan O'Brian
12 Jim Gaffigan
13 Daniel Tosh
14 Nick Swardson
15 Zack Galifianakis
16 Mitch Hedgburg
17 Patton Oswalt
18 Louis C.K.
19 Aziz Ansari
20 Stephen Colbert

hahah funny 11-20

you really high on Cruz or what?

P4P isn't scrictly about wins though it obviously plays an important role. It's about how skills would translate if all was equal in terms of size, thus Brock would be a hard sell for a top P4P fighter. Cruz is a very talented fighter with amazing speed, footwork and striking; he's talented enough to compete at 145 and 135 where he beat the 2 and 3 guys in that division and is the best in the World at that weight class. The guy is a top P4P fighter.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

P4P isn't scrictly about wins though it obviously plays an important role. It's about how skills would translate if all was equal in terms of size, thus Brock would be a hard sell for a top P4P fighter. Cruz is a very talented fighter with amazing speed, footwork and striking; he's talented enough to compete at 145 and 135 where he beat the 2 and 3 guys in that division and is the best in the World at that weight class. The guy is a top P4P fighter.

do agree that Cruzs speed is BIG

IDk I just like Bendo, hes a grinder, finds ways to win and Im not sold on putting Rampage, Rashads, Fitchs, and Cruzs in my P4P yet

Henderson has been on a roll beating tough competition in impressive fashion, guys got high threshold for pain, good stand up, good wrestling, good submissions, whats not to like?

here it comes

he isnt in the UFC

He's beating lower teens LWs, he's solid, but come the fuck on bro

Those 4 other guys u mentioned are beating the top of the top fighters in their divisions.