MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

Rampage aint fought in a while and lets not act like beating Keith Jardine makes you worthy of P$P at the moment, Rashad beat Forrest not a P4P fighter, thats his big claim to P4P imo, Fitch is probably the number 2 guy in a weak division, and Cruz is coming off 2 huge wins in Benavidez and Bowles but I think Bendo going Njoko, Roller, Cerrone, Varner, Cerrone is more deserving.
Maybe im wrong but its subjective any way you look at it

Dude stick to the old school, WTF?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Dude stick to the old school, WTF?

hahah sorry, but Rampage aint fought in how long?

Birdofthad wrote:

Rampage aint fought in a while and lets not act like beating Keith Jardine makes you worthy of P$P at the moment, Rashad beat Forrest not a P4P fighter, thats his big claim to P4P imo, Fitch is probably the number 2 guy in a weak division, and Cruz is coming off 2 huge wins in Benavidez and Bowles but I think Bendo going Njoko, Roller, Cerrone, Varner, Cerrone is more deserving.
Maybe im wrong but its subjective any way you look at it

Since when is WW a weak division?

I'd say its the strongest next to 205.

You need to catch up on shit bro

Farmer1906 wrote:

Birdofthad wrote:

Rampage aint fought in a while and lets not act like beating Keith Jardine makes you worthy of P$P at the moment, Rashad beat Forrest not a P4P fighter, thats his big claim to P4P imo, Fitch is probably the number 2 guy in a weak division, and Cruz is coming off 2 huge wins in Benavidez and Bowles but I think Bendo going Njoko, Roller, Cerrone, Varner, Cerrone is more deserving.
Maybe im wrong but its subjective any way you look at it

Since when is WW a weak division?

I'd say its the strongest next to 205.

GSP is prety untouchable, I think the division is deep but not many P4P people around there, just y opinion, I think it is weak cause I was spoiled by the old welters

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

P4P isn't scrictly about wins though it obviously plays an important role. It's about how skills would translate if all was equal in terms of size, thus Brock would be a hard sell for a top P4P fighter. Cruz is a very talented fighter with amazing speed, footwork and striking; he's talented enough to compete at 145 and 135 where he beat the 2 and 3 guys in that division and is the best in the World at that weight class. The guy is a top P4P fighter.

well if we look at Cruz's 145 resume, it's clear it does not help his p4p case. He has zero noteworthy wins there. And imo, top 10 p4p consideration needs to be earned. Cruz is getting ranked off of one win. Not his skill. No way is he a more skilled fighter then Bones, or gegard, or little Nog, or Cain, or junior, or vitor, or jacare, or mo and on and on..... shit his resume pales in comparison to just about everyone on that list.

He's the top fighter in his division, why does this not register with you? Look at everyones top 10, how many times do you see Cruz?

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

He's the top fighter in his division, why does this not register with you? Look at everyones top 10, how many times do you see Cruz?

it's by far the weakest division in the sport. his best win is over a guy who has 8 wins. And just because everyone falls into the "if they own a title they are top 10" trap, does not mean that I will.

The guy with 8 wins, was 8-0 and demolished a guy thought to be a top 5 P4P fighter going into it. Cruz himself, 14-1, anyway you look at it, he's beating the top guys in his divsion, not lower teens guys. I personaly would have him at 10 I'd think, anywhere from there to 13 is fine, but we were talking about Bendo being at 10 which is a mix between ridiculous and moronic. He isn't even a top 25 P4P fighter.

hey I said off the bat that I don't think Bendo should be top 10. Or top 20 for that matter. That's Birds argument.

but I'll call it a night here, let u watch the excitiing conclusion of the Laker game.

I haven't needed to watch since half time

I don't think Bendo is p4p top ten, which is the main reason I decided to list my own p4p top ten. I even decided to bump Aldo to 4, he is an okay guy.

NINJA'S PLACE POUND FOR POUND TOP TEN

May 3rd, 2010

Top Ten
Rank	Fighter	Total Points	(First Place Votes)
1	Fedor Emelianenko	125	(10)
2	Anderson Silva	112	(2)
3	GSP	111	(1)
4	Jose Aldo	90	None
5	Lyoto Machida	77	None
6	Shogun Rua	49	None
7	BJ Penn	48	None
8	Jake Shields	38	None
9	Frankie Edgar	26	None
10	Dominick Cruz	16	None
Others Receiving Votes
Rank	Fighter	Total Points
11	Jon Fitch	15
12	Vitor Belfort	2
12	Rampage Jackson	2
12	Brock Lesnar	2
15	Rashad Evans	1
15	Ben Henderson	1
Dropped Out:	Gegard Mousasi,	Dan Henderson

Shields is overrated.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Shields is overrated.

I use to think he was the most overrated fighter, now I just think he is slightly overrated.

Aziz is under rated

Updated OP

GDPofDRC wrote:

Aziz is under rated

are you talking about aziz ansari? cuz I have him ranked 19th .. he needs another good showing at stand up to move up the rankings... all of the others has shown multiple times that they could Stand and bang.

I see some human midgets ranked above him who are riding on a thin list of fights themselves.

GDPofDRC wrote:

I see some human midgets ranked above him who are riding on a thin list of fights themselves.

yeah a young little guy will jump 200 p4p spots off of a win vs a guy who hasen't even been in the cage a dozen times. Im waiting on Faber to move down and set that record straight.

Farmer1906 wrote:

Shields is overrated.

maybe, but he has earned his spot nonetheless. shit, he should probably ranked higher based on results.

I think Aoki dropped out as well, could be wrong

how in the hell is BJ so far ahead of Edgar right know? kinda baffling

Aoki was out of the top ten in the last rankings, tied for 15th.

GDPofDRC wrote:

NINJA'S PLACE POUND FOR POUND TOP TEN

May 3rd, 2010

Top Ten
Rank	Fighter	Total Points	(First Place Votes)
1	Fedor Emelianenko	125	(10)
2	Anderson Silva	112	(2)
3	GSP	111	(1)
4	Jose Aldo	90	None
5	Lyoto Machida	77	None
6	Shogun Rua	49	None
7	BJ Penn	48	None
8	Jake Shields	38	None
9	Frankie Edgar	26	None
10	Dominick Cruz	16	None
Others Receiving Votes
Rank	Fighter	Total Points
11	Jon Fitch	15
12	Vitor Belfort	2
12	Rampage Jackson	2
12	Brock Lesnar	2
15	Rashad Evans	1
15	Ben Henderson	1
Dropped Out:	Gegard Mousasi,	Dan Henderson

Ugh I wish you guys would track a Top 20 P4P.

A Top 10 is really pointless when it's done by a group of high level MMA fans who largely (in some cases solely) discuss MMA within a small community from which all the other voters are comprised

130 Top 10 votes were cast. 94% of those votes were for the same 11 people. These rankings have no disparity, and when a guy tries to be unique and put someone like Ben Henderson in their top 10, they get shit on for not having a cookie-cutter ranking like everyone else.

I'm all for a Ninja's Place P4P, but with all due respect, it's kind of silly to do just a Top 10 in this environment. You might as well just give everyone "the" list of Top 10 guys and tell them to put them in order.