MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

Wolfgangsta wrote:

Aoki was at 2, so I'll drop him out of the top 5 and move Gil to 5.

Jake is 5 at MW, Dan drops out of top 5.

King Mo comes in at 5, and Mousasi is dropped out of my top 5.

Diaz I think I already had top 5.

Fedor he is a cusper, maybe top 10 though.



Couture a top ten fighter? lol. Nog looked like Pacman against him. LHW speed? Come on. He barely survived Vera, Mousasi could cause him brain damage.

I have Couture getting stomped by anyone worth a damn at LHW but I still had him at 10 just based on resume. This was before people like Bader had any real wins

Fedor is my #1: agreed.

HW
1. Fedor
2. Brock
3. Carwin
4. Cain
5. Mir
6. JDS
7. Nog
8. Barnett
9. Rogers
10. Overeem

I drop both Hendo and Mousasi from the lower end of the top ten to out of it altogether. Mo is knocking on the door.

LHW
1. Machida
2. Anderson
3. Evans
4. Forrest
5. Rua
6. Lil Nog
7. Rampage
8. Thiago
9. Bader
10. Jon Jones

Shields is top five with wins over Okami, Lawler and Hendo. Very impressive.

MW
1. Anderson
2. Sonnen
3. Nate
4. Shields
5. Maia
6. Hendo
7. Belfort
8. Okami
9. Akiyama
10. Lawler

Nick is top ten and close to top five. I'm just not sure who will test him at Strikeforce to get him in the top five.

WW
1. GSP
2. Fitch
3. Alves
4. Paulo Thiago
5. Koscheck
6. Diego Sanchez
7. Nick Diaz
8. Daley
9. Hardy
10. Hughes

It's fair to have Melendez in there, but I'm reluctant. I actually think Thomson is in there too. If Alvarez loses to Neer, it changes everything.

LW
1. Gray
2. Edgar
3. BJ
4. Melendez
5. Kenny
6. Shinya Aoki
7. Alvarez
8. Sherk
9. Griffin
10. Thomson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSzAb34Ub-M


whou woulda thought Shields would do this to Henderson

1. Machida
2. Shogun
3. Rashad
4. Rampage
5. Little Nog - all these pretty obvious.
6. Mo - his big win is bigger than Vera or Jardine in terms of the heart and skills he displayed combined with the quality of opponent.
7. Bones - Yo Bones is the real deal too. He could beat Mo maybe, maybe not.
8. Bader - Same story as the both Jones and Lawal, and represents yet another serious prospect in the post Pride era, an era who in terms of new prospects has been utterly monopolized by young wrestlers at both LHW and HW.
9. Thiago Silva - his loss against Rashad is probably his most impressive fight. Signature win a loss? Still, he is improving each fight and is a talented fighter. Rashad beat him the same way Mo beat Mousasi though, and the same way many fighters like this will lose.
10. Mousasi - I'm not mad at ya Gegard. Wrestling will be your focus now. GSP will help you. This will make you stronger. You can be Shogun. You will always be weak to wrestlers though. Can you adapt?
11. Forrest - Scraping by (and mostly due to third round fatigue) against a super rusty and possibly seriously injured returning Ortiz after two straight KTFO's, in light of the rest of the division's movement, means you must exit the top ten Forrest.
12. Luiz Cane - hit the top ten for a while, but was busted up quick by the first elite fighter he faced.


Ok throw mo at 6. My bad.

boomer i love ya but you got forrest way too high

in my opinion

Wolfgangsta wrote:

1. Machida
2. Shogun
3. Rashad
4. Rampage
5. Little Nog - all these pretty obvious.
6. Mo - his big win is bigger than Vera or Jardine in terms of the heart and skills he displayed combined with the quality of opponent.
7. Bones - Yo Bones is the real deal too. He could beat Mo maybe, maybe not.
8. Bader - Same story as the both Jones and Lawal, and represents yet another serious prospect in the post Pride era, an era who in terms of new prospects has been utterly monopolized by young wrestlers at both LHW and HW.
9. Thiago Silva - his loss against Rashad is probably his most impressive fight. Signature win a loss? Still, he is improving each fight and is a talented fighter. Rashad beat him the same way Mo beat Mousasi though, and the same way many fighters like this will lose.
10. Mousasi - I'm not mad at ya Gegard. Wrestling will be your focus now. GSP will help you. This will make you stronger. You can be Shogun. You will always be weak to wrestlers though. Can you adapt?
11. Forrest - Scraping by (and mostly due to third round fatigue) against a super rusty and possibly seriously injured returning Ortiz after two straight KTFO's, in light of the rest of the division's movement, means you must exit the top ten Forrest.
12. Luiz Cane - hit the top ten for a while, but was busted up quick by the first elite fighter he faced.


Ok throw mo at 6. My bad.

I may actually agree with wolf. I would swap Mo and bones and I been yelling KING! KING! KING! since the very beginning.

Machida
Shogun
Page
Lil Nog
Rashad
Bones
Forrest
Thiago
Mo
Bader

I vomit every time i see forrest high on anybodies list.

cant argue with those rankings LA

I am between Vader and Mousasi

Im glad pretty much everyone agrees Mo did enough to earn a top 10 spot with that win.

me to muay I dam near vomited when I put him at 8

Mo just beat a guy who really was a lower top 10 LHW with many questions

Forrest has beaten Shogun, Page, Tito, the guy just got KO by Anderson big deal

Birdofthad wrote:

boomer i love ya but you got forrest way too high

in my opinion

Yeah, I know. I just can't those two wins over Rampage and SHogun out of my head. My rankings always start with W/L records and MMA math, and from there I go gut. If I go by gut, then Forrest is at the bottom of the list.

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Mo just beat a guy who really was a lower top 10 LHW with many questions

Forrest has beaten Shogun, Page, Tito, the guy just got KO by Anderson big deal

Not saying those are not good wins. I just feel he is not that skilled and would lose to all those guys in a rematch. Personally I believe rampage won. And this is not the same shogun obviously.

Heavyweight-

01. Fedor Emelianenko
02. Brock Lesnar
03. Shane Carwin
04. Cain Velasquez
05. Frank Mir
06. Brett Rogers
07. Junior Dos Santos
08. Andrei Arlovski
09. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Fabricio Werdum

Light Heavyweight-

01. Mauricio Rua
02. Lyoto Machida
03. Anderson Silva
04. Quinton Jackson
05. Rashad Evans
06. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
07. Muhammed Luwal
08. Gegard Mousasi
09. Forrest Griffin
10. Jon Jones

Middleweight-

01. Anderson Silva
02. Vitor Belfort
03. Jake Shields
04. Dan Henderson
05. Chael Sonnen
06. Nate Marquardt
07. Damien Maia
08. Rich Franklin
09. Wanderlei Silva
10. Mamed Khalidov

Welterweight-

01. Georges St. Pierre
02. Jake Shields
03. Jon Fitch
04. Thiago Alves
05. Paulo Thiago
06. Josh Koshcheck
07. Nick Diaz
08. Paul Daley
09. Dan Hardy
10. Matt Hughes

Lightweight-

01. BJ Penn
02. Frank Edgar
03. Kenny Florian
04. Gilbert Melendez
05. Shinya Aoki
06. Eddie Alvarez
07. Gray Maynard
08. Diego Sanchez
09. Tatsuya Kawajiri
10. Sean Sherk

no about it.

prob the best pure jj guy in MMA.

top 3 at 185. He'd house Maia and Nate.

I'd definitely have him in the top 5 at the very least. Hendo was the #2 MW so I don't disagree
with a top 3 assessment.

I'd have him top 3 at Middleweight and Welterweight.

You do realize Franklin isn't fighting at Middleweight anymore and Khalidov lost his last fight, right?

Your high if you think Jake Shields would best Demian Maia with jiu jitsu.

captain organic wrote:

no about it.

prob the best pure jj guy in MMA.

top 3 at 185. He'd house Maia and Nate.

Sorry, but there's no way he beats Maia or Nate. Shields was very impressive last night by showing he can take punishment and lose a round, and then adapt his gameplan to win the fight. I think almost everyone assumed, after the first round, that Hendo was gonna have an easy win, but the champ proved us wrong. Again, very impressive, but I still don't think he'd beat the two guys mentioned. Can he hang with them? Definitely, he is at that level, but he needs to improve his overall game.

LudoCain wrote:

Your high if you think Jake Shields would best Demian Maia with jiu jitsu.

he'd control the fight all night long. he may not get a sub, but he wins an easy decision.

Name one fighter who EVER controlled Demian Maia on the ground. Dan Henderson got Shields in a crucifix twice, what do you think Maia would do? Meanwhile he's trying not to get subbed by Maia all over the place every 45 seconds this is on the ground. There is a reason Anderson didn't go to the ground with Maia, and a reason Maia is called the greatest Jiu Jitsu Player of his generation. Shields' punching power is very very limited, almost anyone else with a full mount like that on Dan Henderson would have finished the fight in the second round. Sometimes I wonder if you don't post ridiculous things like this just to get a rise out of people.

LudoCain wrote:

And meanwhile he's getting subbed by Maia all over the place every 45 seconds this is on the ground. There is a reason Anderson didn't go to the ground with Maia, and a reason Maia is called the greatest Jiu Jitsu Player of his generation. Shields' punching power is very very limited, almost anyone else with a full mount like that on Dan Henderson would have finished the fight in the second round. Sometimes I wonder if you don't post ridiculous things like this just to get a rise out of people.

please, I just saw jake's purple belt teammate totally own a guy who was at the top of the jj food chain.

Maia subs shields every 45 secs of the fight? and my statements are ridiculous?

With Franklin you never know what division he's going to fight and I don't know where to rank his performances when he fights at 195. No I didn't watch Khalidov's last fight.

yeah, a purple belt in Jiu Jitsu using his Wrestling and spraw and superior striking to win a fight against a guy who's standup is shit, who would have thought? Henderson had Shields in a crucifix position TWICE in the fight. You think Demian Maia would get beaten by him? Settling into Aoki's guard and pressing him against the cage until you can get the hell out of dodge before the shitstorm happens is a bit different than out jiu jitsu-ing the most accomplished jiu jitsu practitioner in the game right now.