MMA RANKINGS - CHAPTER 1...

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

Sooners is completely valid in not having Mousasi in the top 10 LHWs, still don't understand how people have him at 3, he's a 7-13 guy.

I might have ranked him too high but , that's only because I am impressed with his ability and composure.

In a weeks time there is like 6 fights that have a lot of impact on this, not sure why we didn't wait

tolivendiewithLA wrote:

In a weeks time there is like 6 fights that have a lot of impact on this, not sure why we didn't wait

I thought that also.

Heavyweight-

01. Fedor Emelianenko
02. Brock Lesnar
03. Shane Carwin
04. Cain Velasquez
05. Frank Mir
06. Brett Rogers
07. Junior Dos Santos
08. Andrei Arlovski
09. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10. Fabricio Werdum

Light Heavyweight-

01. Mauricio Rua
02. Lyoto Machida
03. Anderson Silva
04. Quinton Jackson
05. Rashad Evans
06. Gegard Mousasi
07. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
08. Thiago Silva
09. Forrest Griffin
10. Jon Jones

Middleweight-

01. Anderson Silva
02. Vitor Belfort
03. Dan Henderson
04. Chael Sonnen
05. Nate Marquardt
06. Jake Shields
07. Damien Maia
08. Rich Franklin
09. Mamed Khalidov
10. Yushin Okami

Welterweight-

01. Georges St. Pierre
02. Jon Fitch
03. Thiago Alves
04. Paulo Thiago
05. Josh Koshcheck
06. Nick Diaz
07. Paul Daley
08. Dan Hardy
09. Matt Hughes
10. Mike Swick

Lightweight-

01. BJ Penn
02. Kenny Florian
03. Shinya Aoki
04. Frank Edgar
05. Eddie Alvarez
06. Gray Maynard
07. Diego Sanchez
08. Tatsuya Kawajiri
09. Sean Sherk
10. Aussie George

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Sonnen above Hendo Ninja ?

Yes sir. Sonnen has beaten better 185lbs than Henderson has.

Okami, Nate, and Filho were all in the top 5 when Sonnen beat them.

The only top 10 MWs Hendo beat were Bisping and Misaki.

Yeah, but if Sonnen and Henderson fought who'd win? I think Henderson wins fairly untroubled.

freakzilla316ftw wrote:

Ninja\Rua/Fan wrote:

Ali_1748 wrote:

Sonnen above Hendo Ninja ?

Yes sir. Sonnen has beaten better 185lbs than Henderson has.

Okami, Nate, and Filho were all in the top 5 when Sonnen beat them.

The only top 10 MWs Hendo beat were Bisping and Misaki.

Yeah, but if Sonnen and Henderson fought who'd win? I think Henderson wins fairly untroubled.

Do I think Hendo beats Sonnen head to head? Yes, but you can't use what if logic when you do rankings. You must go by what they actually accomplished to date.

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

HW
1.Fedor
2.Brock
3.Carwin
4.Mir
5.JDS
6.Cain
7.Big Nog
8.Barnett
9.Overeem
10.Rogers

LHW
1.Machida
2.Shogun
3.Rampage
4.Rashad
5.Thiago Silva
6.Mousasi
7.Forrest
8.Lil Nog
9.Jones
10.Franklin

MW
1.Anderson
2.Hendo
3.Sonnen
4.Belfort
5.Marquardt
6.Maia
7.Okomi
8.Sheilds
9.Ronaldo Souza
10.Santiago

WW
1.GSP
2.Fitch
3.Nick Diaz
4.Alves
5.Paulo Thiago
6.Kos
7.Hughes
8.Serra
9.Hardy
10.Daley

LW
1.BJ
2.Gray
3.Edgar
4.Florian
5.Tyson
6.Aoki
7.Alvarez
8.Sherk
9.Sotiropoulos
10.Joe Stevenson

FW
1.Aldo
2.MTB
3.Fabor
4.Fernandes
5.Assuncao
6.Hioki
7.Sandro
8.Hansen
9.Grispi
10.Gamburyan

HW
1. Fedor
2. Brock
3. Carwin
4. Cain
5. JDS
6. Mir
7. Nog
8. Rogers
9. Werdum
10. Roy Nelson

LHW
1. Machida
2. Shogun
3. Rashad
4. Rampage
5. Mousasi
6. Lil Nog
7. Thiago Silva
8. Jon Jones
9. Forrest Griffin
10. Ryan Bader

MW
1. Anderson
2. Dan Henderson
3. Chael Sonnen
4. Nate Marquardt
5. Demain Maia
6. Vitor Belfort
7. Jake Shields
8. Mamed Khalidov
9. Okami
10. Dan Miller

WW
1. GSP
2. Jon Fitch
3. Thiago Alves
4. Koscheck
5. Paulo Thiago
6. Nick Diaz
7. Paul Daley
8. Dan Hardy
9. Dan Hornbuckle
10. Matt Hughes

LW
1. Bj Penn
2. Shinya Aoki
3. Eddie Alvarez
4. Gray Maynard
5. Kenny Florian
6. Frankie Edgar
7. Kawajiri
8. Gilbert Melendez
9. Sean Sherk
10. George Sotorlopolus

chorky777 wrote:

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

Wrong wrong wrong. Hendo's clinch game would negate Sonnen's. They'd stand and trade and Hendo would win. TKO late or most likely a decision for Hendo.

Farmer1906 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

Wrong wrong wrong. Hendo's clinch game would negate Sonnen's. They'd stand and trade and Hendo would win. TKO late or most likely a decision for Hendo.

I think you're failing to realize how bad Hendo's cardio really is.

chorky777 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

Wrong wrong wrong. Hendo's clinch game would negate Sonnen's. They'd stand and trade and Hendo would win. TKO late or most likely a decision for Hendo.

I think you're failing to realize how bad Hendo's cardio really is.

He went 5 rounds with Rampage, all 3 rounds with both Franklin and Palhares. Sonnen didn't look too fresh after 3 rounds with Marquart.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

Wrong wrong wrong. Hendo's clinch game would negate Sonnen's. They'd stand and trade and Hendo would win. TKO late or most likely a decision for Hendo.

I think you're failing to realize how bad Hendo's cardio really is.

He went 5 rounds with Rampage, all 3 rounds with both Franklin and Palhares. Sonnen didn't look too fresh after 3 rounds with Marquart.

+1

Sonnen would get ktfo by Hendo.

I think people don't know that Khalidov lost against Jorge in his last fight recently. I have no problem with him being in the top 10, but Jorge should be above him.

WW
GSP
Fitch
Paulo Thiago
Alves
Kos
Diaz
Shields
Sanchez
Daley
Hughes

The fights have been coming with high frequency and will continue to throughout the spring and summer. April and May will be loaded with high end fights. Saturdays fights are close but they can represent a good starting off point for the next round as they would as ends for this round. The idea was for timing to correlate with divisional rankings. For my two cents, I want rankings either quarterly or bi-monthly regardless of events surrounding those dates.

Anyways, I got a table I'll drop soon so anyone who hasn't voted should do so soon.

OUSOONERSOU wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Farmer1906 wrote:

chorky777 wrote:

Sonnen would almost definitely beat Henderson. He's a good enough wrestler to avoid a takedown with MUCH better cardio. As long as he avoids the big knockout, he wins that fight by taking the second and third rounds just like Rich Franklin did (I know 2 of the judges disagreed with me on that fight, but Franklin absolutely won).

Wrong wrong wrong. Hendo's clinch game would negate Sonnen's. They'd stand and trade and Hendo would win. TKO late or most likely a decision for Hendo.

I think you're failing to realize how bad Hendo's cardio really is.

He went 5 rounds with Rampage, all 3 rounds with both Franklin and Palhares. Sonnen didn't look too fresh after 3 rounds with Marquart.

He gassed horribly during all 3 fights you mentioned. Particularly the Franklin fight, which was the most recent of those fights. And Sonnen was good to go for longer if he had to.

Sonnen looked pretty shot to me in his post fight interview. He even admitted to being a little shaken up. IMO Marquart has a great chance to win if it goes 5 rounds.

Yeah I don't think Sonnen was good to go longer at all. He was finished by the time the 3rd ended

No one has anything to be ashamed of by being gassed after 5 hard fought rounds with Rampage, at 25 OR 39 for that matter. Palhares gave Hendo a hell of a fight and so did Franklin with those body kicks. Whereas Sonnen took minimal damage(excluding the choke attempt and the cut) and still looked like he'd been the one getting smashed for three rounds.

Sorry, I like Sonnen a lot, but he hasn't got the grappling or the standup to hang with Hendo and to say otherwise is in fact, unwise.

And we're closed. We'll reopen them after WEC.

Farmer you can quote or copy this in with all of the rankings when your done so there are not a bunch of lingering stickies.

NINJA'S PLACE POUND FOR POUND TOP TEN

April 9th, 2010

Top Ten
Rank	Fighter	Total Points	(First Place Votes)
1	Fedor Emelianenko	130	(9)
2	Anderson Silva	128	(4)
3	GSP	119	(1)
4	BJ Penn	98	None
5	Lyoto Machida	74	None
6	Jose Aldo	67	None
7	Shogun Rua	54	None
8	Gegard Mousasi	23	None
9	John Fitch	22	None
10	Dan Henderson	13	None
Others Receiving Votes
Rank	Fighter	Total Votes	(First Place Votes)
11	Rampage Jackson	9	None
12	Jake Shields	8	None
13	Kenny Florian	6	None
14	Dominick Cruz	5	None
15	Shinya Aoki	4	None
15	Vitor Belfort	4	None
17	Thiago Alves	3	None
18	Brock Lesnar	2	None
19	Reshad Evans	1	None

We're giving a 3 guys an extension, but he votes have been tabulated and the results will be here soon.

Pound for Pound
Rank Fighter Total Points (First Place Votes)
1 Fedor Emelianenko 130 (9)
2 Anderson Silva 128 (4)
3 GSP 119 (1)
4 BJ Penn 98
5 Lyoto Machida 74
6 Jose Aldo 67
7 Shogun Rua 54
8 Gegard Mousasi 23
9 John Fitch 22
10 Dan Henderson 13
Others Rercieving Votes: Rampage Jackson 9, Jake Sheilds 8, Kenny Florian 6, Dominick Cruz 5, Shinya Aoki 4, Vitor Belfort 4, Thiago Alves 3, Brock Lesnar 2, Rashad Evans 1

HW
1. Fedor-170(unanimous #1)
2. Brock-150
3. Carwin-130
4. Cain-126
5. JDS-94
6. Mir-90
7. Nog-68
8. Rogers-33
9. Barnett-27
10. Werdum-21
Others- Overeem-12, Arlovski-8, Nelson-7

LHW
1. Machida-164
2. Rua-150
3. Evans-111
4. Rampage-100
5. Mousasi-86
6. Lil Nog-78
7. Anderson-69
8. Forrest-61
9. Thiago-46
10. Jon Jones-32
Others- Hendo-23, Couture-7, Franklin-5, Bader-2, Cane-2

MW
1. Anderson-160 (unanimous #1)
2. Hendo-139
3. Sonnen-120
4. Nate-105
5. Vitor-103
6. Maia-87
7. Shields-61
8. Okami-24
9. Wandy-13
10. Santiago-12
Others- Akiyama-10, Belcher-8, Khalidov-8, Souza-7, Lawler-6, Mousasi-6, Bisping-4, Franklin-3, Cote-1, Filho-1, Dan Miller-1, Palhares-1

WW
1. GSP-170 (unanimous #1)
2. Fitch-151
3. Alves-130
4. Koscheck-114
5. Paulo Thiago-94
6. Nick Diaz-67
7. Daley-59
8. Hardy-52
9. Hughes-33
10. BJ-14
Others- Diego-11, Swick-11, Serra-8, Condit-5, Hornbuckle-4, Shields-4, Anthony Johnson-3, Kampmann-3, Almeida-2, Hieron-1, Zaromskis-1

LW
1. BJ-160 (unanimous #1)
2. Aoki-121
2. Kenny-121
4. Gray-105
5. Edgar-94
6. Alvarez-86
7. Melendez-39
8. Kawajiri-33
9. Sherk-31
10. Griffin-29
Others- Diego-23, Gomi-9, Sotiropolous-9, Benson Henderson-8, Stevenson-5, Nate Diaz-2, Jim Miller-2, Hirota-1, Guida-1, Thomson-1

FW
1. Aldo-120 (unanimous #1)
2. MTB-108
3. Faber-96
4. Bibiano-71
5. Assuncao-67
6. Hioki-52
7. Grispi-32
8. Kanehara-26
9. Omigawa-23
9. Sandro-23
Others- Manny-15, Mackens-6, Devidas-5, Hansen-5, LC Davis-4, Fabiano-4

BW
1. Cruz-40 (unanimous #1)
2. Benavides-33
2. Bowles-33
4. Torres-24
5. Jorgenson-21
6. Page-17
7. Fernandez-16
8. Mizugaki-14
9. Katsumura-7
10. Yahya-5
Others- Banuelos-4, Fabiano-3, Valencia-1